Step 2: Get money from somewhere else to fund their public sector.
And I am having problems with step 2. Who's gonna lend them money, considering their debt and their risk of default ?
I see one option - they get kicked out of EU, they get their currency back, huge inflation, they print more money to fund public sector (because nobody is going to lend them any money), they get MORE AUSTERITY, inflation and misery for years.
Read it. Its just fancy words and opinions. Piss off with that leftist rubbish and give me some experts opinions on what the results will be. Its fucking easy to say 'this stock is expensive, this stock is cheap, JP Morgan is ripping us off...' If you cant give me some concrete numbers its all bullshit just like that article.
What's the point of putting lettuce as a garnish under the tomatoes and onions which are only going to be put on the burgers anyways? Just slap those bitches together, who gives a fuck about making the ingredients plate fancy. Otherwise, they look good, dunno if I'd enjoy them without real food like beef
If you gotta take it to work and it'll be an hour or two before eating use the lettuce to insulate the bun from the sauce. Otherwise the bun gets soggy
And if you're a guy who's worked hard to get where you are this encourages you to keep the money your business earns in the business and not take out too much for yourself. Why bother taking €1m out of your company when you could take €900k @ 50% and see €450k instead of taking €1m @ 75% and taking €250k. You're saving €200k from being "wasted" and your company is slightly better off. Why not invest it in your company instead and help it see better profits? Your let your shareholders see a bigger dividend? Maybe split it amongst your employees as a bonus as a sign of good will? Investing it or given it to employees is a sure way of seeing better productivity.
....Or are we going to come back to "it's MINE" kind of reactionary posts? You know, typical greed?
It's going to come back to "it's none of your (or the states) business".
Except that it is and there's fuck all you can do about it.
More like it will result in accountants being more busy setting up 'bucket companies' and finding other loopholes.
As far as taking money out of companies I can only speak from the Australian perspective. In Australia - If you own a company there is very strict laws about taking money out of it and if a director 'takes' money out of the company Division 7A triggers. That means the director can:
- Repay the amount in full by the lodgement of the companies next tax return (roughly a year) - Enter a loan agreement and pay interest on the loan to the company at market rates set by the tax office (7.55% p.a. 2012 year) - Take the whole amount as an unfranked dividend and pay tax on that money at their own tax rate (bad bad bad that means they pay tax on the same money twice once in the company and once in their own tax return)
Basically my point is company money is already protected in the company - directors cant take money out willy nilly as they please. The only way to get money out of a company is to pay a dividend, directors fee, or directors wages.
I doubt that other countries in the world do not have similar measures in place.
Didn't the Nazi's only take 2/3rd's when they occupied France?
lol nice!
Good to see this thread posted some discussion .
While a lot of life comes down to dumb luck I do believe success in any field is mostly hard work and determination. Lots of people are motivated by lots of things but I'm pretty sure money and social status are right up there (although apparently not in france). When did you last hear someone say ' I wanna clean toilets?' or 'I'm gonna be a night cleaner'? Fact is night industrial cleaners earn more than I do with a degree and 3 years experience. Difference is I know my wages are going up every year at inflation + pay increase. Thats why I work so hard and study to keep up with all the tax law and shit. If someone suddenly wanted a 75% slice of my pie I can tell you just where I would tell him to shove it which is precisely what a lot of people will do.
I believe everybody is motivated at their core by improving their own living standards. That is clearly seen in politics (working classes vote labor, White collars vote liberal) social policy (lower classes are all for safety net and government assistance - higher classes think it is a waste of their tax dollars).
Although I do favour equality of sorts I think the individual should be able to raise their living standard through hard work. That's something that is in serious doubt with ueber high taxes.
When I see some of the people who walk out of the government assistance office... they dont deserve the money given to them. Lazy fucks should just clean themselves up a bit, show some motivation, discipline, and culture and get themselves a job. Nobody would hire the uncouth, unwashed, undisciplined bogans like them.
To summarize my random throughts I think there's a potential real brain drain problem and drain of motivated worker problem for france if they put this through.
^ there's a clear difference between the kind of underage material that may be posted voluntarily by teens on /b/, and the pictures that turn up on the drives of people who are prosectuted. The key word here, in the grand scheme of things, is voluntary. Most prosecutions seem to involve cases where it is quite clear that the stored images involved children rather than teens. I dunno, anyone who has pics of children (not teens who may be mistaken for adults) in my view should be locked up.
Emotions aside, what right do you have to chuck them in jail?
The law perhaps
So just because somethings the law makes it right?
If you take a wider view, perhaps one where you acknowledge that the creation if such images (most probably) involves force and coersion, and thus a violation of a child's rights and LIBERTY, then even a fucktard such as yourself should see that sticking those who view, and thus fuel an exploitative market for such images and therefore the abuse of those children, in prison is the lawful and just thing to do. Your stance has been that you can only do something if it doesn't violate the freedom/liberty/rights of others... this seems to be a clear cut example of the violation of all three with regard to the child.
Only you, eh...
Keeping it illegal only creates a black market. Legalise and deregulate, let the free market take care of it ...
^ Report what? A anonymous image posted on an anonymous board (/b/ for instance) or a gallery pic on a website like madthumbs? Seriously? I guarantee that there is CP posted on /b/ at least once a day probably closer to once an hour. How many pics are there on web galleries? Hosted where - russia?
Get real. The australian police have no jurisdiction over there and it would just be a waste of time. As for /b/ I'm sure the police watch it anyway and it gets reported by the mods. To involve yourself is asking for trouble and a waste of time.
Anyone who has ever visited /b/ has seen illegal material. Anyone who has loaded a gallery picture page on a porn site has seen illegal material. And if you can say hand on heart that you have checked the id of every girl you ever fapped to on the innanets to make sure she is over 18 - good on you. In all your years on the internet I guarantee you have seen at least one suspicious image (on purpose or by accident) and if you happened to not clear your temp files regularly and format your computer there is incriminating evidence on your computer. That is a fact.
Edit: No I didnt report it.
Also its easy to say that someone with 1,000's of illegal pics is a pedo. Thats a clear case. What about someone with 1 or 5 nondescipt images in temp files? Where do you draw the line? Any line you draw will be in one of varying shades of grey with 1/2 a million judgement calls and qualifications. As such I think the law should er on the side of lenience as opposed to prosecuting the tiniest infringement. Whether 100 images is a pedo or not is something the judge decided and he obviously felt the facts of the case provided a good enough argument.
Edit2: Also when I say 'lenience' we are talking about viewing of images not molesting a child or being directly involved. That should result in penis removement and a bullet.
So Digi. If you find a quarter of dope lying on the road. You pick it up and smoke it but the cops come busting down your door. Should you be in jail for distributing weed?
If in your example someone requested unsavoury pictures be taken then clearly they are co-conspiring and have a hand in the act (scuse the pun). If someone found the pics on the internet that doesnt make him a pedo. However having 100's of photo's sure would make it seem very much like he's partaking of illegal things. In my view there's two different crimes.
Much like the distinction of 'dealing' drugs and 'using' drugs. And yes there is a cyclical relationship between people who 'use' drugs promoting people to 'deal' drugs. However I'd say its pretty damn hard to say that in my example of finding a bag of weed that you are contributing to the 'dealing' of drugs or the overall supply of drugs on the market.
Have you ever run into fucking CP randomly on the Innanets??
yes. Go to any pics gallery site and I'm sure you'll find at least one thing that is questionable. Just loading a pics gallery site (like madthumbs etc) means that you'll have a temp image of all the main galleries and you have no control over what might load.
Also dont play innocent with me. I know for a fact that everyone on this website has done something illegal even if it is in most cases drugs (or in nova's case being born).
So Digi. If you find a quarter of dope lying on the road. You pick it up and smoke it but the cops come busting down your door. Should you be in jail for distributing weed?
If in your example someone requested unsavoury pictures be taken then clearly they are co-conspiring and have a hand in the act (scuse the pun). If someone found the pics on the internet that doesnt make him a (violent) pedo. However having 100's of photo's sure would make it seem very much like he's partaking of illegal things (pedo). In my view there's two different crimes.
Much like the distinction of 'dealing' drugs and 'using' drugs. And yes there is a cyclical relationship between people who 'use' drugs promoting people to 'deal' drugs. However I'd say its pretty damn hard to say that in my example of finding a bag of weed that you are contributing to the 'dealing' of drugs or the overall supply of drugs on the market.
@ Digi: By the same argument you visit a strip club once and you're increasing prostitution and re-instating the masochistic society that puts women at the bottom of the ladder. Come on thats a bit of a stretch (the kind of stretch feminists use to justify their arguments). I have seen that famous picture of that vietnamese girl running away from a fire bombing in the 70's - you gonna lock me up too? After all I am contributing to the making of CP by viewing that image.
Primary Weapon: C - 5.56 M4 with M203 grenade launcher. Good magazine size. Great for close range and long range. Grenade launcher for those "OH SHIT" moments.
Secondary Weapon: Probaby a - normal pistol. If I'm going to be using that they will already be pretty damn close to me anyway. Might as well have a good short range weapon and the silencer would just get in the way. Too much shit to carry anyway. Gotta be swift and deadly. Everyone knows zombies will find you even if you're silent - the only escape is being faster than them.
Melee Weapon: Would have to go with B, Katana. Lighter than a machete and longer blade. The blade length comes in very useful for beheadings and other stuff. Probably go with an original damascus folded steel katana as it will remain razor sharp - I know they're a myth these days and the original quarry has been emptied centuries ago... but so are zombies so fuck you.
My Gadget: Rope, I already have a sharp knife.
My Vehicle: If I'm near the ocean definitely the boat. I'd find some abandoned luxury boat somewhere and that'd be that. On land... Probably hummer.
Teammate: Probably the original terminator. Failing that Statham. The perfect getaway driver and not shabby with firearms either.
sure it sends big amounts of mass downrange. Whats the point if you dont hit anything? If you put 4 normal rounds in someones head or 4 double rounds in someones head doesnt change the fact they are dead. The only thing it changes is the mess you need to clean up.
Greece built its trouble itself by borrowing far too much for far too long. Now is the day of reckoning. Who used all the debt pablo? I can tell you who. It was the populace of Greece who lived above their means for a long time. Now its time to pay and the people who will pay are once again the populace. To even think that anyone else will pay the debt is ludicrous. What do you want - just ignore the debtors? Devalue the currency? Even if devaluing the currency reduced the debtors (it wont the debt is in Euro) you still dont have a operational country. Governments issue bonds to pay for day to day running expenses (tax only comes once a year) and if the government cant finance operations nothing will work. If Greece pisses off the bond holders too much (bear in mind they have already had a hair cut) then nobody will buy government bonds. The bond rate will skyrocket and it will be impossible for the government to pay its bills. What you think the government has money in its coffers to keep it running until tax time? Did you forget that the government is broke already?
Ooh you think the public servants will work for free? You think a country that cant even make its repayments in installments can front up the whole amount in one big lump sum?
Seriously. I feel like my intelligence is draining out of my talking to uneducated fools.
^ haha. You think exiting the euro is the answer? The country is up to its eyeballs in debt from living beyond their means for the last 20 years and lying to the euro about their financial health to get into the euro in the first place. What happens when it leaves the euro?
- Potentially doesnt pay creditors (future capital raisings will be impossible and the gov cant raise any money. Taxes? Tax who? Nobodies got a fucking job to tax! - Devalue the currency (pretty much the same as if you just pay the debt isnt it? In both cases you are suddenly a fuckload poorer - Loss of major companies - You think a 'Euro based company' (read - all in greece) will stay on a sinking ship? You idiot. They will relocate and make sure they come under euro jurisdiction. - Further job losses and fucked economy.
... The land in between is not (does not need to be) wasted. Its great for kids soccer games, distance from neighbours, walking the dog, snow ball fights etc.
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