Looking back at my life I am constantly surprised how little have I accomplished through ambition and hard work and how much have I gained through friends and sheer dumb fucking luck.
^ I have success, I lack ambition.
Looking back at my life I am constantly surprised how little have I accomplished through ambition and hard work and how much have I gained through friends and sheer dumb fucking luck.
[quote user=LithuanianLabourer] ^ I have success, I lack ambition.
Looking back at my life I am constantly surprised how little have I accomplished through ambition and hard work and how much have I gained through friends and sheer dumb fucking luck. [/quote]
I value success on what has been accomplished through ambition and hard work.
This explains why you don't respect liberty.
LithuanianLabourer wrote:
^ I have success, I lack ambition.
Looking back at my life I am constantly surprised how little have I accomplished through ambition and hard work and how much have I gained through friends and sheer dumb fucking luck.
I value success on what has been accomplished through ambition and hard work.
[quote user=LithuanianLabourer] ^ I have success, I lack ambition.
Looking back at my life I am constantly surprised how little have I accomplished through ambition and hard work and how much have I gained through friends and sheer dumb fucking luck. [/quote]
yeah, ain't that the universal fukken truth?
LithuanianLabourer wrote:
^ I have success, I lack ambition.
Looking back at my life I am constantly surprised how little have I accomplished through ambition and hard work and how much have I gained through friends and sheer dumb fucking luck.
[quote user=norwegianmog] [quote user=LithuanianLabourer]Looking back at my life I am constantly surprised how little have I accomplished through ambition and hard work and how much have I gained through friends and sheer dumb fucking luck.[/quote]
yeah, ain't that the universal fukken truth? [/quote]
Not necessarily. I've only gotten to the point I am now due to many long hours of study and constantly updating that knowledge. I haven't gotten any work out of "Dumb Luck" It way my effort and tenacity that got me those oppotunities.
That said, France has a right of self determination. If thats the way the wish to govern their nation, so be it.
norwegianmog wrote:
LithuanianLabourer wrote:
Looking back at my life I am constantly surprised how little have I accomplished through ambition and hard work and how much have I gained through friends and sheer dumb fucking luck.
yeah, ain't that the universal fukken truth?
Not necessarily. I've only gotten to the point I am now due to many long hours of study and constantly updating that knowledge. I haven't gotten any work out of "Dumb Luck" It way my effort and tenacity that got me those oppotunities.
That said, France has a right of self determination. If thats the way the wish to govern their nation, so be it.
^while you might need some sort of education and hard work in that regard, your professional career is in most fields determined by the people you know and your luck
^while you might need some sort of education and hard work in that regard, your professional career is in most fields determined by the people you know and your luck
[quote user=norwegianmog]^while you might need some sort of education and hard work in that regard, your professional career is in most fields determined by the people you know and your luck [/quote]
Meeting people and getting contacts within your industry is not hard work?
norwegianmog wrote:
^while you might need some sort of education and hard work in that regard, your professional career is in most fields determined by the people you know and your luck
Meeting people and getting contacts within your industry is not hard work?
^knowing the right people might have you move up the right ladder. meeting people and getting contacts within your area of profession is, well, obvious. getting a promotion or a raise might happen just cos the boss likes you, you're the fun guy to meet by the coffee machine. luck getting a promotion or a raise might happen cos you've been offered a better position somewhere else, from the people you know and network with, and your boss wants to outbid them. professional friendships.
^knowing the right people might have you move up the right ladder. meeting people and getting contacts within your area of profession is, well, obvious. getting a promotion or a raise might happen just cos the boss likes you, you're the fun guy to meet by the coffee machine. luck getting a promotion or a raise might happen cos you've been offered a better position somewhere else, from the people you know and network with, and your boss wants to outbid them. professional friendships.
[quote user=otester] [quote user=Matt2k35]All I see are people who are too selfish to pay their way and fair share.[/quote]
They don't owe anyone else anything. [/quote]
Yeah, fortunately you're wrong.
Let see. Who stands to gain the most from a banking bailout from these two people?
Average Joe who earns £16k a year - has roughly £~3k saved at any point in time.
Rich Man Jack who earns £375k a year and has £1.5million in savings (not including other assets such as houses and investments).
Government can only underwrite £50k of savings.
So, who stands to lose the most? Sure enough a bank liquidation would affect them both but one of them is going to lose out majorly.
Correct Answer: Rich Man Jack is going to lose out the most and stands to gain (retain) the most from a banking bailout.
Nothing wrong with paying your fair share towards the upkeep of the country. If France implements a 75% tax rate that would be fucking justice. The people leaving the country are selfish bastards who weren't any good for it in the first place. If you're only dealing with a country to exploit it and save yourself money you're better off gone.
So, yeah, you're wrong otester. Suck it.
otester wrote:
Matt2k35 wrote:
All I see are people who are too selfish to pay their way and fair share.
They don't owe anyone else anything.
Yeah, fortunately you're wrong.
Let see. Who stands to gain the most from a banking bailout from these two people?
Average Joe who earns £16k a year - has roughly £~3k saved at any point in time.
Rich Man Jack who earns £375k a year and has £1.5million in savings (not including other assets such as houses and investments).
Government can only underwrite £50k of savings.
So, who stands to lose the most? Sure enough a bank liquidation would affect them both but one of them is going to lose out majorly.
Correct Answer: Rich Man Jack is going to lose out the most and stands to gain (retain) the most from a banking bailout.
Nothing wrong with paying your fair share towards the upkeep of the country. If France implements a 75% tax rate that would be fucking justice. The people leaving the country are selfish bastards who weren't any good for it in the first place. If you're only dealing with a country to exploit it and save yourself money you're better off gone.
Let see. Who stands to gain the most from a banking bailout from these two people?
Average Joe who earns £16k a year - has roughly £~3k saved at any point in time.
Rich Man Jack who earns £375k a year and has £1.5million in savings (not including other assets such as houses and investments).
Government can only underwrite £50k of savings.
So, who stands to lose the most? Sure enough a bank liquidation would affect them both but one of them is going to lose out majorly.
Correct Answer: Rich Man Jack is going to lose out the most and stands to gain (retain) the most from a banking bailout.
Nothing wrong with paying your fair share towards the upkeep of the country. If France implements a 75% tax rate that would be fucking justice. The people leaving the country are selfish bastards who weren't any good for it in the first place. If you're only dealing with a country to exploit it and save yourself money you're better off gone.
So, yeah, you're wrong otester. Suck it. [/quote]
That's not my fucking problem.
Matt2k35 wrote:
otester wrote:
They don't owe anyone else anything.
Yeah, fortunately you're wrong.
Let see. Who stands to gain the most from a banking bailout from these two people?
Average Joe who earns £16k a year - has roughly £~3k saved at any point in time.
Rich Man Jack who earns £375k a year and has £1.5million in savings (not including other assets such as houses and investments).
Government can only underwrite £50k of savings.
So, who stands to lose the most? Sure enough a bank liquidation would affect them both but one of them is going to lose out majorly.
Correct Answer: Rich Man Jack is going to lose out the most and stands to gain (retain) the most from a banking bailout.
Nothing wrong with paying your fair share towards the upkeep of the country. If France implements a 75% tax rate that would be fucking justice. The people leaving the country are selfish bastards who weren't any good for it in the first place. If you're only dealing with a country to exploit it and save yourself money you're better off gone.
[quote user=mmateri] paying 75% of what you have made is never justice, its absolute robbery, just because a whole country does it, don't make it right [/quote]
I'm sure King Louis thought the same.
mmateri wrote:
paying 75% of what you have made is never justice, its absolute robbery, just because a whole country does it, don't make it right
[quote user=LithuanianLabourer] ^ I have success, I lack ambition.
Looking back at my life I am constantly surprised how little have I accomplished through ambition and hard work and how much have I gained through friends and sheer dumb fucking luck. [/quote]
I wouldn't call going along to get along "success". Then again success is a relative term. So what exactly is this success that you seem to think you have attained? Two hots and a cot?
@Matt
"Nothing wrong with paying your fair share towards the upkeep of the country. If France implements a 75% tax rate that would be fucking justice. The people leaving the country are selfish bastards who weren't any good for it in the first place. If you're only dealing with a country to exploit it and save yourself money you're better off gone."
Only in bizzaro universe (Europe) could 75% be considered fair. I tell you what.....why don't YOU pay 50% and the rich guy pays 50%. That's fair. Oh, but wait....in Matt world if I have a pie it's fair if I take 75% and you get 25%. Oh well.....the French fucking morons are going to end up paying for all these goodies and campaign promises on their own, because there aren't going to be enough "rich" people to pay for all the fucking handouts. Because as we have seen by the European attitude, you won't fucking work because you don't value it at all................you simply punish those that do. You are mad because they have ambition....and you don't
It is absolutely fucking inane and moronic to think that hard work and working smarter don't factor into climbing the ladder. It would seem to me.....that you people are not worth helping. I have a problem with helping people who refuse to help themselves.
[quote user=sailirish7] [quote user=norwegianmog]^while you might need some sort of education and hard work in that regard, your professional career is in most fields determined by the people you know and your luck[/quote]
Meeting people and getting contacts within your industry is not hard work? [/quote]
Nope. Has nothing to do with it Sails. You are just a fucking idiot for trying so hard. I mean hell.......that house you put an offer on? The only reason you attained that level in your life is because "somebody liked you". In fact, with the European attitude maybe you can just go around sucking people's dicks. THAT is what will bring SUCCESS!!!!!!
These fucking morons. SOMEBODY HAS TO DO THE FUCKING WORK AND IF THEY AREN'T WHO IS?!????!?!??!?!?!??! I can't believe the straight up bigotry. You are rich because you stole it and never worked for it? Well then....you are poor because you are an unambitious, lazy, spoiled, wanton, fucking parasite. I mean, if we are going to legislate by generalities......it is only FAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAIR.
Beelz is right....this is going to be absolutely disastrous for France. They have totally jumped the shark. The end result will be delicious........
Looking back at my life I am constantly surprised how little have I accomplished through ambition and hard work and how much have I gained through friends and sheer dumb fucking luck.
I wouldn't call going along to get along "success". Then again success is a relative term. So what exactly is this success that you seem to think you have attained? Two hots and a cot?
@Matt
"Nothing wrong with paying your fair share towards the upkeep of the country. If France implements a 75% tax rate that would be fucking justice. The people leaving the country are selfish bastards who weren't any good for it in the first place. If you're only dealing with a country to exploit it and save yourself money you're better off gone."
Only in bizzaro universe (Europe) could 75% be considered fair. I tell you what.....why don't YOU pay 50% and the rich guy pays 50%. That's fair. Oh, but wait....in Matt world if I have a pie it's fair if I take 75% and you get 25%. Oh well.....the French fucking morons are going to end up paying for all these goodies and campaign promises on their own, because there aren't going to be enough "rich" people to pay for all the fucking handouts. Because as we have seen by the European attitude, you won't fucking work because you don't value it at all................you simply punish those that do. You are mad because they have ambition....and you don't
It is absolutely fucking inane and moronic to think that hard work and working smarter don't factor into climbing the ladder. It would seem to me.....that you people are not worth helping. I have a problem with helping people who refuse to help themselves.
sailirish7 wrote:
norwegianmog wrote:
^while you might need some sort of education and hard work in that regard, your professional career is in most fields determined by the people you know and your luck
Meeting people and getting contacts within your industry is not hard work?
Nope. Has nothing to do with it Sails. You are just a fucking idiot for trying so hard. I mean hell.......that house you put an offer on? The only reason you attained that level in your life is because "somebody liked you". In fact, with the European attitude maybe you can just go around sucking people's dicks. THAT is what will bring SUCCESS!!!!!!
These fucking morons. SOMEBODY HAS TO DO THE FUCKING WORK AND IF THEY AREN'T WHO IS?!????!?!??!?!?!??! I can't believe the straight up bigotry. You are rich because you stole it and never worked for it? Well then....you are poor because you are an unambitious, lazy, spoiled, wanton, fucking parasite. I mean, if we are going to legislate by generalities......it is only FAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAIR.
Beelz is right....this is going to be absolutely disastrous for France. They have totally jumped the shark. The end result will be delicious........
[quote user=mmateri] there is no way 75 percent isn't absolutely horrifying......being ultra rich doesn't mean anything....fuck you, fuckyoutan [/quote]
Greedy cunt, this recession is partly caused by too much money behind held by ultra-rich people. Who gives a fuck about the fact that they worked hard? They didn't work harder than the work-hard-for-their money rich guys, so why the bizarre amt. of money?
mmateri wrote:
there is no way 75 percent isn't absolutely horrifying......being ultra rich doesn't mean anything....fuck you, fuckyoutan
Greedy cunt, this recession is partly caused by too much money behind held by ultra-rich people. Who gives a fuck about the fact that they worked hard? They didn't work harder than the work-hard-for-their money rich guys, so why the bizarre amt. of money?
[quote user=fuckyoutan] [quote user=mmateri]there is no way 75 percent isn't absolutely horrifying......being ultra rich doesn't mean anything....fuck you, fuckyoutan[/quote]
Greedy cunt, this recession is partly caused by too much money behind held by ultra-rich people. Who gives a fuck about the fact that they worked hard? They didn't work harder than the work-hard-for-their money rich guys, so why the bizarre amt. of money? [/quote]
And you wanting 75% isn't greedy???? HAHAHA!! And yes, most of the "rich" did work for it.
there is no way 75 percent isn't absolutely horrifying......being ultra rich doesn't mean anything....fuck you, fuckyoutan
Greedy cunt, this recession is partly caused by too much money behind held by ultra-rich people. Who gives a fuck about the fact that they worked hard? They didn't work harder than the work-hard-for-their money rich guys, so why the bizarre amt. of money?
And you wanting 75% isn't greedy???? HAHAHA!! And yes, most of the "rich" did work for it.
[quote user=fuckyoutan] [quote user=mmateri]there is no way 75 percent isn't absolutely horrifying......being ultra rich doesn't mean anything....fuck you, fuckyoutan[/quote]
Greedy cunt, this recession is partly caused by too much money behind held by ultra-rich people. Who gives a fuck about the fact that they worked hard? They didn't work harder than the work-hard-for-their money rich guys, so why the bizarre amt. of money? [/quote]
fuckyoutan wrote:
mmateri wrote:
there is no way 75 percent isn't absolutely horrifying......being ultra rich doesn't mean anything....fuck you, fuckyoutan
Greedy cunt, this recession is partly caused by too much money behind held by ultra-rich people. Who gives a fuck about the fact that they worked hard? They didn't work harder than the work-hard-for-their money rich guys, so why the bizarre amt. of money?
[quote user=ShanusMaximus] [quote user=fuckyoutan]Greedy cunt, this recession is partly caused by too much money behind held by ultra-rich people. Who gives a fuck about the fact that they worked hard? They didn't work harder than the work-hard-for-their money rich guys, so why the bizarre amt. of money?[/quote]
And you wanting 75% isn't greedy???? HAHAHA!! And yes, most of the "rich" did work for it.
Thank you, didn't quite have the patience to reply myself.
ShanusMaximus wrote:
fuckyoutan wrote:
Greedy cunt, this recession is partly caused by too much money behind held by ultra-rich people. Who gives a fuck about the fact that they worked hard? They didn't work harder than the work-hard-for-their money rich guys, so why the bizarre amt. of money?
And you wanting 75% isn't greedy???? HAHAHA!! And yes, most of the "rich" did work for it.
Yeah, but it actually is. If the banks went down you'd suffer, problem is the rich people would've suffered much more. Therefore it's fair that they pay more. [quote user=ShanusMaximus]
Only in bizzaro universe (Europe) could 75% be considered fair. I tell you what.....why don't YOU pay 50% and the rich guy pays 50%. That's fair. Oh, but wait....in Matt world if I have a pie it's fair if I take 75% and you get 25%. Oh well.....the French fucking morons are going to end up paying for all these goodies and campaign promises on their own, because there aren't going to be enough "rich" people to pay for all the fucking handouts. Because as we have seen by the European attitude, you won't fucking work because you don't value it at all................you simply punish those that do. You are mad because they have ambition....and you don't
It is absolutely fucking inane and moronic to think that hard work and working smarter don't factor into climbing the ladder. It would seem to me.....that you people are not worth helping. I have a problem with helping people who refuse to help themselves.
[/quote]
Yeah but you're American and will never be able to see the benefits of a socialist system where your tax money goes towards the greater good.
I don't want any of the fucking pie. I want the money to go into schools, hospitals and infrastructure. How about some spare money for the government to invest into technology that comes license and patent free? No matter the level of pay that's all things everyone can benefit from.
Out of interest. From your wage how much is deducted in taxes and what percentage of what you earn goes into healthcare for you and your family?
[quote user=ShanusMaximus] [quote user=fuckyoutan]Greedy cunt, this recession is partly caused by too much money behind held by ultra-rich people. Who gives a fuck about the fact that they worked hard? They didn't work harder than the work-hard-for-their money rich guys, so why the bizarre amt. of money?[/quote]
And you wanting 75% isn't greedy???? HAHAHA!! And yes, most of the "rich" did work for it.
He wants it personally? If he did there'd be a greed problem.
The problem is rich business owners who don't earn the amount of money they get. Sure they get where they are by hard work, but I'm ALWAYS reminded of CEO's of large mulitnational companies taking home ludicrous amounts of money a year and ploughing it into offshore tax havens to avoid paying the proper taxes. All the while there are people at the bottom of that corporations ladder struggling to get by who can't afford an accountant to tax avoid for them and have to pay every cent they are due to and stuggle to get by. There's no break for them, they can't afford childcare and have to rely on family members to look after the kids and such. Yet, people like them make ALL the money for the company. Walmart top Exec's rake in millions a year... but puts the products on the shelves? Who scans them through the tills and serves the customers? The people at the bottom of the shit pile.
otester wrote:
Matt2k35 wrote:
So, yeah, you're wrong otester. Suck it.
That's not my fucking problem.
Yeah, but it actually is. If the banks went down you'd suffer, problem is the rich people would've suffered much more. Therefore it's fair that they pay more.
ShanusMaximus wrote:
Only in bizzaro universe (Europe) could 75% be considered fair. I tell you what.....why don't YOU pay 50% and the rich guy pays 50%. That's fair. Oh, but wait....in Matt world if I have a pie it's fair if I take 75% and you get 25%. Oh well.....the French fucking morons are going to end up paying for all these goodies and campaign promises on their own, because there aren't going to be enough "rich" people to pay for all the fucking handouts. Because as we have seen by the European attitude, you won't fucking work because you don't value it at all................you simply punish those that do. You are mad because they have ambition....and you don't
It is absolutely fucking inane and moronic to think that hard work and working smarter don't factor into climbing the ladder. It would seem to me.....that you people are not worth helping. I have a problem with helping people who refuse to help themselves.
Yeah but you're American and will never be able to see the benefits of a socialist system where your tax money goes towards the greater good.
I don't want any of the fucking pie. I want the money to go into schools, hospitals and infrastructure. How about some spare money for the government to invest into technology that comes license and patent free? No matter the level of pay that's all things everyone can benefit from.
Out of interest. From your wage how much is deducted in taxes and what percentage of what you earn goes into healthcare for you and your family?
ShanusMaximus wrote:
fuckyoutan wrote:
Greedy cunt, this recession is partly caused by too much money behind held by ultra-rich people. Who gives a fuck about the fact that they worked hard? They didn't work harder than the work-hard-for-their money rich guys, so why the bizarre amt. of money?
And you wanting 75% isn't greedy???? HAHAHA!! And yes, most of the "rich" did work for it.
He wants it personally? If he did there'd be a greed problem.
The problem is rich business owners who don't earn the amount of money they get. Sure they get where they are by hard work, but I'm ALWAYS reminded of CEO's of large mulitnational companies taking home ludicrous amounts of money a year and ploughing it into offshore tax havens to avoid paying the proper taxes. All the while there are people at the bottom of that corporations ladder struggling to get by who can't afford an accountant to tax avoid for them and have to pay every cent they are due to and stuggle to get by. There's no break for them, they can't afford childcare and have to rely on family members to look after the kids and such. Yet, people like them make ALL the money for the company. Walmart top Exec's rake in millions a year... but puts the products on the shelves? Who scans them through the tills and serves the customers? The people at the bottom of the shit pile.
Thank you, didn't quite have the patience to reply myself. [/quote]
You mean you're too shoddy to articulate a point yourself? Isn't there a child porn debate still raging on that you should be attending to? I think the whole site thinks you're a paedo now.
otester wrote:
ShanusMaximus wrote:
And you wanting 75% isn't greedy???? HAHAHA!! And yes, most of the "rich" did work for it.
Thank you, didn't quite have the patience to reply myself.
You mean you're too shoddy to articulate a point yourself? Isn't there a child porn debate still raging on that you should be attending to? I think the whole site thinks you're a paedo now.
And if you're a guy who's worked hard to get where you are this encourages you to keep the money your business earns in the business and not take out too much for yourself. Why bother taking €1m out of your company when you could take €900k @ 50% and see €450k instead of taking €1m @ 75% and taking €250k. You're saving €200k from being "wasted" and your company is slightly better off. Why not invest it in your company instead and help it see better profits? Your let your shareholders see a bigger dividend? Maybe split it amongst your employees as a bonus as a sign of good will? Investing it or given it to employees is a sure way of seeing better productivity.
....Or are we going to come back to "it's MINE" kind of reactionary posts? You know, typical greed?
And if you're a guy who's worked hard to get where you are this encourages you to keep the money your business earns in the business and not take out too much for yourself. Why bother taking €1m out of your company when you could take €900k @ 50% and see €450k instead of taking €1m @ 75% and taking €250k. You're saving €200k from being "wasted" and your company is slightly better off. Why not invest it in your company instead and help it see better profits? Your let your shareholders see a bigger dividend? Maybe split it amongst your employees as a bonus as a sign of good will? Investing it or given it to employees is a sure way of seeing better productivity.
....Or are we going to come back to "it's MINE" kind of reactionary posts? You know, typical greed?
I posted an IRS survey not long ago for Wolffe, showing the occupations of the "wealthy". About 60% worked directly in finance, about 20% were those CEOs, and the rest were entertainers, and the remaining slivers of the pie were your top doctors, lawyers, and entrepreneurs.
However, I think the incomes in the IRS survery were much higher... I personally wouldn't consider $500K of equity to be particularly rich, and I doubt they are paying the highest tax rates. It sounds like the typical net worth of a (albeit older) household in France.
I guess there is a lot of material I could draw on to add to this thread, but I personally don't think taxes are the most important factors for entrepreneurship. Taxes are more important for attracting established, large corporations... and if taxes are your primary appeal, then they usually just want to keep their money in your banks - jobs go to the cheap labor.
Entrepreneurship requires flexible bankruptcy laws. You need quality educational institutions. You usually have some form of direct Government funding (military, energy, tech). Entrepreneurs are usually motivated by flexibility and intellectual challenges - most won't make any money, but they carry on because they like the work. Taxes aren't a concern because early entrepreneurs don't usually make a lot of money... and it's quite easy to shelter your income from taxes by building a business.
I posted an IRS survey not long ago for Wolffe, showing the occupations of the "wealthy". About 60% worked directly in finance, about 20% were those CEOs, and the rest were entertainers, and the remaining slivers of the pie were your top doctors, lawyers, and entrepreneurs.
However, I think the incomes in the IRS survery were much higher... I personally wouldn't consider $500K of equity to be particularly rich, and I doubt they are paying the highest tax rates. It sounds like the typical net worth of a (albeit older) household in France.
I guess there is a lot of material I could draw on to add to this thread, but I personally don't think taxes are the most important factors for entrepreneurship. Taxes are more important for attracting established, large corporations... and if taxes are your primary appeal, then they usually just want to keep their money in your banks - jobs go to the cheap labor.
Entrepreneurship requires flexible bankruptcy laws. You need quality educational institutions. You usually have some form of direct Government funding (military, energy, tech). Entrepreneurs are usually motivated by flexibility and intellectual challenges - most won't make any money, but they carry on because they like the work. Taxes aren't a concern because early entrepreneurs don't usually make a lot of money... and it's quite easy to shelter your income from taxes by building a business.
[quote user=Matt2k35] [quote user=otester]That's not my fucking problem.[/quote]
Yeah, but it actually is. If the banks went down you'd suffer, problem is the rich people would've suffered much more. Therefore it's fair that they pay more. [/quote]
That's not an issue for the state, it's a private matter, same as if a company collapses etc.
[quote user=Matt2k35] [quote user=otester]Thank you, didn't quite have the patience to reply myself.[/quote]
You mean you're too shoddy to articulate a point yourself? Isn't there a child porn debate still raging on that you should be attending to? I think the whole site thinks you're a paedo now. [/quote]
When I purchase things I look at it from a value for money point of view, time is money to me.
[quote user=Matt2k35] And if you're a guy who's worked hard to get where you are this encourages you to keep the money your business earns in the business and not take out too much for yourself. Why bother taking €1m out of your company when you could take €900k @ 50% and see €450k instead of taking €1m @ 75% and taking €250k. You're saving €200k from being "wasted" and your company is slightly better off. Why not invest it in your company instead and help it see better profits? Your let your shareholders see a bigger dividend? Maybe split it amongst your employees as a bonus as a sign of good will? Investing it or given it to employees is a sure way of seeing better productivity.
....Or are we going to come back to "it's MINE" kind of reactionary posts? You know, typical greed? [/quote]
It's going to come back to "it's none of your (or the states) business".
Matt2k35 wrote:
otester wrote:
That's not my fucking problem.
Yeah, but it actually is. If the banks went down you'd suffer, problem is the rich people would've suffered much more. Therefore it's fair that they pay more.
That's not an issue for the state, it's a private matter, same as if a company collapses etc.
Matt2k35 wrote:
otester wrote:
Thank you, didn't quite have the patience to reply myself.
You mean you're too shoddy to articulate a point yourself? Isn't there a child porn debate still raging on that you should be attending to? I think the whole site thinks you're a paedo now.
When I purchase things I look at it from a value for money point of view, time is money to me.
Matt2k35 wrote:
And if you're a guy who's worked hard to get where you are this encourages you to keep the money your business earns in the business and not take out too much for yourself. Why bother taking €1m out of your company when you could take €900k @ 50% and see €450k instead of taking €1m @ 75% and taking €250k. You're saving €200k from being "wasted" and your company is slightly better off. Why not invest it in your company instead and help it see better profits? Your let your shareholders see a bigger dividend? Maybe split it amongst your employees as a bonus as a sign of good will? Investing it or given it to employees is a sure way of seeing better productivity.
....Or are we going to come back to "it's MINE" kind of reactionary posts? You know, typical greed?
It's going to come back to "it's none of your (or the states) business".
Oh, and I seriously doubt France is going to implement some outrageous tax rates. At most, I'd expect to see a few extra tax credits for younger and older workers and businesses that hire new employees.
Oh, and I seriously doubt France is going to implement some outrageous tax rates. At most, I'd expect to see a few extra tax credits for younger and older workers and businesses that hire new employees.
Look at mmateri. He was a stay at home dad beer drinking and smoking weed, then 6 months later he was in the top 10% of income earners in Canada. He got it through special connections through friends.
But as my dad says, most people that go from nothing to great wealth quickly often do not possess the self-control to keep it. So we shall see in mmateri's case, but it isn't looking good (2 grand on 2 escorts, what a waste).
Look at mmateri. He was a stay at home dad beer drinking and smoking weed, then 6 months later he was in the top 10% of income earners in Canada. He got it through special connections through friends.
But as my dad says, most people that go from nothing to great wealth quickly often do not possess the self-control to keep it. So we shall see in mmateri's case, but it isn't looking good (2 grand on 2 escorts, what a waste).
[quote user=EricManning] Oh, and I seriously doubt France is going to implement some outrageous tax rates. At most, I'd expect to see a few extra tax credits for younger and older workers and businesses that hire new employees.
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Hey Eric, how are you doing today?
EricManning wrote:
Oh, and I seriously doubt France is going to implement some outrageous tax rates. At most, I'd expect to see a few extra tax credits for younger and older workers and businesses that hire new employees.
[quote user=EricManning] Oh, and I seriously doubt France is going to implement some outrageous tax rates. At most, I'd expect to see a few extra tax credits for younger and older workers and businesses that hire new employees.
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I think this clown's rhetoric alone is going to weaken an already weakened Europe and a weak Europe will suck for everyone. It seems that they simply hired this fool because they were mad at Sarkozy and I have this terrible feeling it is going to blow up in their faces. I think you will see some serious buyers remorse. But.....that is not anything new for France......
EricManning wrote:
Oh, and I seriously doubt France is going to implement some outrageous tax rates. At most, I'd expect to see a few extra tax credits for younger and older workers and businesses that hire new employees.
I think this clown's rhetoric alone is going to weaken an already weakened Europe and a weak Europe will suck for everyone. It seems that they simply hired this fool because they were mad at Sarkozy and I have this terrible feeling it is going to blow up in their faces. I think you will see some serious buyers remorse. But.....that is not anything new for France......
[quote user=ShanusMaximus] [quote user=EricManning]Oh, and I seriously doubt France is going to implement some outrageous tax rates. At most, I'd expect to see a few extra tax credits for younger and older workers and businesses that hire new employees.
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I think this clown's rhetoric alone is going to weaken an already weakened Europe and a weak Europe will suck for everyone. It seems that they simply hired this fool because they were mad at Sarkozy and I have this terrible feeling it is going to blow up in their faces. I think you will see some serious buyers remorse. But.....that is not anything new for France......
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The Eurozone was doomed LONG before he was elected. Like I have said previously, if you want a common currency, you need to have rules and enforcement of them. Otherwise everyone does what they want and sticks the responsible country with the bill.
ShanusMaximus wrote:
EricManning wrote:
Oh, and I seriously doubt France is going to implement some outrageous tax rates. At most, I'd expect to see a few extra tax credits for younger and older workers and businesses that hire new employees.
I think this clown's rhetoric alone is going to weaken an already weakened Europe and a weak Europe will suck for everyone. It seems that they simply hired this fool because they were mad at Sarkozy and I have this terrible feeling it is going to blow up in their faces. I think you will see some serious buyers remorse. But.....that is not anything new for France......
The Eurozone was doomed LONG before he was elected. Like I have said previously, if you want a common currency, you need to have rules and enforcement of them. Otherwise everyone does what they want and sticks the responsible country with the bill.
[quote user=otester] Didn't the Nazi's only take 2/3rd's when they occupied France? [/quote]
lol nice!
Good to see this thread posted some discussion .
While a lot of life comes down to dumb luck I do believe success in any field is mostly hard work and determination. Lots of people are motivated by lots of things but I'm pretty sure money and social status are right up there (although apparently not in france). When did you last hear someone say ' I wanna clean toilets?' or 'I'm gonna be a night cleaner'? Fact is night industrial cleaners earn more than I do with a degree and 3 years experience. Difference is I know my wages are going up every year at inflation + pay increase. Thats why I work so hard and study to keep up with all the tax law and shit. If someone suddenly wanted a 75% slice of my pie I can tell you just where I would tell him to shove it which is precisely what a lot of people will do.
I believe everybody is motivated at their core by improving their own living standards. That is clearly seen in politics (working classes vote labor, White collars vote liberal) social policy (lower classes are all for safety net and government assistance - higher classes think it is a waste of their tax dollars).
Although I do favour equality of sorts I think the individual should be able to raise their living standard through hard work. That's something that is in serious doubt with ueber high taxes.
When I see some of the people who walk out of the government assistance office... they dont deserve the money given to them. Lazy fucks should just clean themselves up a bit, show some motivation, discipline, and culture and get themselves a job. Nobody would hire the uncouth, unwashed, undisciplined bogans like them.
To summarize my random throughts I think there's a potential real brain drain problem and drain of motivated worker problem for france if they put this through.
otester wrote:
Didn't the Nazi's only take 2/3rd's when they occupied France?
lol nice!
Good to see this thread posted some discussion .
While a lot of life comes down to dumb luck I do believe success in any field is mostly hard work and determination. Lots of people are motivated by lots of things but I'm pretty sure money and social status are right up there (although apparently not in france). When did you last hear someone say ' I wanna clean toilets?' or 'I'm gonna be a night cleaner'? Fact is night industrial cleaners earn more than I do with a degree and 3 years experience. Difference is I know my wages are going up every year at inflation + pay increase. Thats why I work so hard and study to keep up with all the tax law and shit. If someone suddenly wanted a 75% slice of my pie I can tell you just where I would tell him to shove it which is precisely what a lot of people will do.
I believe everybody is motivated at their core by improving their own living standards. That is clearly seen in politics (working classes vote labor, White collars vote liberal) social policy (lower classes are all for safety net and government assistance - higher classes think it is a waste of their tax dollars).
Although I do favour equality of sorts I think the individual should be able to raise their living standard through hard work. That's something that is in serious doubt with ueber high taxes.
When I see some of the people who walk out of the government assistance office... they dont deserve the money given to them. Lazy fucks should just clean themselves up a bit, show some motivation, discipline, and culture and get themselves a job. Nobody would hire the uncouth, unwashed, undisciplined bogans like them.
To summarize my random throughts I think there's a potential real brain drain problem and drain of motivated worker problem for france if they put this through.
The only thing I know for certain is that financial magazine editorials are going to be very libertarian. Those with a larger perspective are probably more moderate on France (The Economist), while those focused on industry would probably have a positive light on Government intervention (Business Week).
At least in the US and Canada, the largest "education gap" is among those with advanced degrees - and they mainly vote with the left. Those on the bottom run are split between Conservative and Left-Liberal, usually over religious / social issues. True, the higher educated / earners generally favor open markets... working-class Conservatives prefer Government protection of industry and immigration, so it's not a clear distinction. In France, Sarkozy likewise needed to appeal to the rather "protectionist" Conservative working classes, by pushing against immigration.
So basically, we have a large portion of the higher-earning classes mainly voting with the left, even in Europe. There is a Libertarian group in opposition, but they are generally less educated and smaller in number... although their incomes are higher than most other Conservatives.
This is why I don't think I can say anything for certain - It seems the left can appeal to those who generally favor markets. "Socialists" of today often focus on tax-credits and market-friendly intervention, even when the Government accounts for 50% of GDP. I do not think France has a particularly generous "welfare" system for those who choose not to work. Their higher tax-rates are simply reflected in longer retirements and vacations, and higher spending in healthcare.
I think France has generally improved most of its numbers over the last couple decades. They are very productive, and rank highly in health in education. They work as much as Americans most of their lives, although they do retire earlier and go to school longer.
Many economists think they should raise their retirement age a bit, but other than that, they are among the best in the world. Although they have more small-business creation than countries like the US, I think they would improve entrepreneurship rates if they adopted more generous bankruptcy regulations. Technically, bankruptcy is probably more "Socialist".. but it's the only element they are missing.
Oh - and in France, people speak French. This tends to apply breaks to casual brain-drain. They also tend to be more equal than other developed countries. It's hard to know how much of this is just toothless complaining from the financial industry.
The only thing I know for certain is that financial magazine editorials are going to be very libertarian. Those with a larger perspective are probably more moderate on France (The Economist), while those focused on industry would probably have a positive light on Government intervention (Business Week).
At least in the US and Canada, the largest "education gap" is among those with advanced degrees - and they mainly vote with the left. Those on the bottom run are split between Conservative and Left-Liberal, usually over religious / social issues. True, the higher educated / earners generally favor open markets... working-class Conservatives prefer Government protection of industry and immigration, so it's not a clear distinction. In France, Sarkozy likewise needed to appeal to the rather "protectionist" Conservative working classes, by pushing against immigration.
So basically, we have a large portion of the higher-earning classes mainly voting with the left, even in Europe. There is a Libertarian group in opposition, but they are generally less educated and smaller in number... although their incomes are higher than most other Conservatives.
This is why I don't think I can say anything for certain - It seems the left can appeal to those who generally favor markets. "Socialists" of today often focus on tax-credits and market-friendly intervention, even when the Government accounts for 50% of GDP. I do not think France has a particularly generous "welfare" system for those who choose not to work. Their higher tax-rates are simply reflected in longer retirements and vacations, and higher spending in healthcare.
I think France has generally improved most of its numbers over the last couple decades. They are very productive, and rank highly in health in education. They work as much as Americans most of their lives, although they do retire earlier and go to school longer.
Many economists think they should raise their retirement age a bit, but other than that, they are among the best in the world. Although they have more small-business creation than countries like the US, I think they would improve entrepreneurship rates if they adopted more generous bankruptcy regulations. Technically, bankruptcy is probably more "Socialist".. but it's the only element they are missing.
Oh - and in France, people speak French. This tends to apply breaks to casual brain-drain. They also tend to be more equal than other developed countries. It's hard to know how much of this is just toothless complaining from the financial industry.
[quote user=Matt2k35] [quote user=otester]It's going to come back to "it's none of your (or the states) business".[/quote]
Except that it is and there's fuck all you can do about it. [/quote]
More like it will result in accountants being more busy setting up 'bucket companies' and finding other loopholes.
As far as taking money out of companies I can only speak from the Australian perspective. In Australia - If you own a company there is very strict laws about taking money out of it and if a director 'takes' money out of the company Division 7A triggers. That means the director can:
- Repay the amount in full by the lodgement of the companies next tax return (roughly a year) - Enter a loan agreement and pay interest on the loan to the company at market rates set by the tax office (7.55% p.a. 2012 year) - Take the whole amount as an unfranked dividend and pay tax on that money at their own tax rate (bad bad bad that means they pay tax on the same money twice once in the company and once in their own tax return)
Basically my point is company money is already protected in the company - directors cant take money out willy nilly as they please. The only way to get money out of a company is to pay a dividend, directors fee, or directors wages.
I doubt that other countries in the world do not have similar measures in place.
Matt2k35 wrote:
otester wrote:
It's going to come back to "it's none of your (or the states) business".
Except that it is and there's fuck all you can do about it.
More like it will result in accountants being more busy setting up 'bucket companies' and finding other loopholes.
As far as taking money out of companies I can only speak from the Australian perspective. In Australia - If you own a company there is very strict laws about taking money out of it and if a director 'takes' money out of the company Division 7A triggers. That means the director can:
- Repay the amount in full by the lodgement of the companies next tax return (roughly a year) - Enter a loan agreement and pay interest on the loan to the company at market rates set by the tax office (7.55% p.a. 2012 year) - Take the whole amount as an unfranked dividend and pay tax on that money at their own tax rate (bad bad bad that means they pay tax on the same money twice once in the company and once in their own tax return)
Basically my point is company money is already protected in the company - directors cant take money out willy nilly as they please. The only way to get money out of a company is to pay a dividend, directors fee, or directors wages.
I doubt that other countries in the world do not have similar measures in place.
[quote user=hotdogjohnny] Look at mmateri. He was a stay at home dad beer drinking and smoking weed, then 6 months later he was in the top 10% of income earners in Canada. He got it through special connections through friends.
But as my dad says, most people that go from nothing to great wealth quickly often do not possess the self-control to keep it. So we shall see in mmateri's case, but it isn't looking good (2 grand on 2 escorts, what a waste). [/quote]
You spent 500 on one escort for you and a friend. Considering you only got half of it I'd say that's pretty much the same thing.
hotdogjohnny wrote:
Look at mmateri. He was a stay at home dad beer drinking and smoking weed, then 6 months later he was in the top 10% of income earners in Canada. He got it through special connections through friends.
But as my dad says, most people that go from nothing to great wealth quickly often do not possess the self-control to keep it. So we shall see in mmateri's case, but it isn't looking good (2 grand on 2 escorts, what a waste).
You spent 500 on one escort for you and a friend. Considering you only got half of it I'd say that's pretty much the same thing.
It aint that the rich aint taxed enough, it is that they are hording all the wealth. they are not reinvesting the money into their own employees, improving working conditions, increasing wages, doing philanthropy work. they just reinvest it to their own greedy selfish means instead of using the money to improve the situation.
i think that people are on the wrong track.
It aint that the rich aint taxed enough, it is that they are hording all the wealth. they are not reinvesting the money into their own employees, improving working conditions, increasing wages, doing philanthropy work. they just reinvest it to their own greedy selfish means instead of using the money to improve the situation.
[quote user=Cyril] i think that people are on the wrong track.
It aint that the rich aint taxed enough, it is that they are hording all the wealth. they are not reinvesting the money into their own employees, improving working conditions, increasing wages, doing philanthropy work. they just reinvest it to their own greedy selfish means instead of using the money to improve the situation.
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It's none of your business what they do with their wealth.
How about less time gorping at how rich they are and start working on your own scheme to get up the ladder?
Cyril wrote:
i think that people are on the wrong track.
It aint that the rich aint taxed enough, it is that they are hording all the wealth. they are not reinvesting the money into their own employees, improving working conditions, increasing wages, doing philanthropy work. they just reinvest it to their own greedy selfish means instead of using the money to improve the situation.
It's none of your business what they do with their wealth.
How about less time gorping at how rich they are and start working on your own scheme to get up the ladder?
[quote user=Cyril] i think that people are on the wrong track.
It aint that the rich aint taxed enough, it is that they are hording all the wealth. they are not reinvesting the money into their own employees, improving working conditions, increasing wages, doing philanthropy work. they just reinvest it to their own greedy selfish means instead of using the money to improve the situation.
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This. There was a time when owners of big companies did act like that, and they were still very successful. In this area it was George F Johnson (EJ Shoe Factory) and later on, Thomas Watson (IBM). Unfortunately, when they were gone, their successors decided the money in their pockets was more important than the communities that helped build them up and now these companies are gone. It's not something that can be enforced, and it shouldn't be. However, setting a good example can go a long way, and that's what I hope to accomplish someday with my company by following in their footsteps.
[quote user=otester] [quote user=Cyril]It aint that the rich aint taxed enough, it is that they are hording all the wealth. they are not reinvesting the money into their own employees, improving working conditions, increasing wages, doing philanthropy work. they just reinvest it to their own greedy selfish means instead of using the money to improve the situation.
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It's none of your business what they do with their wealth.
How about less time gorping at how rich they are and start working on your own scheme to get up the ladder? [/quote]
I think you're wrong there. It is your business when it affects the community you live in. It's less about "gorping" about the rich, and more about seeing how things could be better.
Cyril wrote:
i think that people are on the wrong track.
It aint that the rich aint taxed enough, it is that they are hording all the wealth. they are not reinvesting the money into their own employees, improving working conditions, increasing wages, doing philanthropy work. they just reinvest it to their own greedy selfish means instead of using the money to improve the situation.
This. There was a time when owners of big companies did act like that, and they were still very successful. In this area it was George F Johnson (EJ Shoe Factory) and later on, Thomas Watson (IBM). Unfortunately, when they were gone, their successors decided the money in their pockets was more important than the communities that helped build them up and now these companies are gone. It's not something that can be enforced, and it shouldn't be. However, setting a good example can go a long way, and that's what I hope to accomplish someday with my company by following in their footsteps.
otester wrote:
Cyril wrote:
It aint that the rich aint taxed enough, it is that they are hording all the wealth. they are not reinvesting the money into their own employees, improving working conditions, increasing wages, doing philanthropy work. they just reinvest it to their own greedy selfish means instead of using the money to improve the situation.
It's none of your business what they do with their wealth.
How about less time gorping at how rich they are and start working on your own scheme to get up the ladder?
I think you're wrong there. It is your business when it affects the community you live in. It's less about "gorping" about the rich, and more about seeing how things could be better.
"From 1 January 2004, all new applicants for British citizenship by naturalisation or registration aged 18 or over if their application is successful must attend a citizenship ceremony and either make an affirmation or take an oath of allegiance to the monarch, and also make a pledge to the United Kingdom...
....For those who applied for British citizenship before 2004:
the oath of allegiance was administered privately through signing a witnessed form in front of a solicitor or other accredited person
Did you take an oath of allegiance to the monarch and a pledge to the United Kingdom ?
otester, how old are you ?
"From 1 January 2004, all new applicants for British citizenship by naturalisation or registration aged 18 or over if their application is successful must attend a citizenship ceremony and either make an affirmation or take an oath of allegiance to the monarch, and also make a pledge to the United Kingdom...
....For those who applied for British citizenship before 2004:
the oath of allegiance was administered privately through signing a witnessed form in front of a solicitor or other accredited person
^ Doesn't apply to those born in the UK as you are registered just after birth.
[quote user=Matt2k35] [quote user=otester]Depends if you believe people are individuals or slaves. [/quote]
No it just depends if you live in the UK or not. Do you live in the UK? Ok then, then you have to pay taxes to the government. End of discussion. [/quote]
This is a debate about what should/shouldn't be, not what is.
^ Doesn't apply to those born in the UK as you are registered just after birth.
Matt2k35 wrote:
otester wrote:
Depends if you believe people are individuals or slaves.
No it just depends if you live in the UK or not. Do you live in the UK? Ok then, then you have to pay taxes to the government. End of discussion.
This is a debate about what should/shouldn't be, not what is.
[quote user=otester] ^ Doesn't apply to those born in the UK as you are registered just after birth.
[quote user=Matt2k35]No it just depends if you live in the UK or not. Do you live in the UK? Ok then, then you have to pay taxes to the government. End of discussion. [/quote]
This is a debate about what should/shouldn't be, not what is. [/quote]
Yeah but you give EdRoberts style options.
"Are you a FUCKING FAGGOT or are guns cool?"
"Do you SUCK DICKS or is Bacon pretty nice?"
"Are you an INDIVIDUAL, or a slave?"
Basically, we live in the UK. We pay tax. It's not theft. Pretty clear cut who's going to win the debate when you look at countries that don't have taxation and all the likes and see how well they fare.
otester wrote:
^ Doesn't apply to those born in the UK as you are registered just after birth.
Matt2k35 wrote:
No it just depends if you live in the UK or not. Do you live in the UK? Ok then, then you have to pay taxes to the government. End of discussion.
This is a debate about what should/shouldn't be, not what is.
Yeah but you give EdRoberts style options.
"Are you a FUCKING FAGGOT or are guns cool?"
"Do you SUCK DICKS or is Bacon pretty nice?"
"Are you an INDIVIDUAL, or a slave?"
Basically, we live in the UK. We pay tax. It's not theft. Pretty clear cut who's going to win the debate when you look at countries that don't have taxation and all the likes and see how well they fare.
^ Watch out, regardless of any legal framework or bill of rights that states taxation is legal, he's going to use an american line of thought to explain UK liberties.
^ Watch out, regardless of any legal framework or bill of rights that states taxation is legal, he's going to use an american line of thought to explain UK liberties.
[quote user=Matt2k35] [quote user=otester]This is a debate about what should/shouldn't be, not what is. [/quote]
Yeah but you give EdRoberts style options.
"Are you a FUCKING FAGGOT or are guns cool?"
"Do you SUCK DICKS or is Bacon pretty nice?"
"Are you an INDIVIDUAL, or a slave?"
Basically, we live in the UK. We pay tax. It's not theft. Pretty clear cut who's going to win the debate when you look at countries that don't have taxation and all the likes and see how well they fare. [/quote]
State of taxation isn't the only thing to judge a country by.
Matt2k35 wrote:
otester wrote:
This is a debate about what should/shouldn't be, not what is.
Yeah but you give EdRoberts style options.
"Are you a FUCKING FAGGOT or are guns cool?"
"Do you SUCK DICKS or is Bacon pretty nice?"
"Are you an INDIVIDUAL, or a slave?"
Basically, we live in the UK. We pay tax. It's not theft. Pretty clear cut who's going to win the debate when you look at countries that don't have taxation and all the likes and see how well they fare.
State of taxation isn't the only thing to judge a country by.
[quote user=HomeBrew] [quote user=Cyril]It aint that the rich aint taxed enough, it is that they are hording all the wealth. they are not reinvesting the money into their own employees, improving working conditions, increasing wages, doing philanthropy work. they just reinvest it to their own greedy selfish means instead of using the money to improve the situation.
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This. There was a time when owners of big companies did act like that, and they were still very successful. In this area it was George F Johnson (EJ Shoe Factory) and later on, Thomas Watson (IBM). Unfortunately, when they were gone, their successors decided the money in their pockets was more important than the communities that helped build them up and now these companies are gone. It's not something that can be enforced, and it shouldn't be. However, setting a good example can go a long way, and that's what I hope to accomplish someday with my company by following in their footsteps.
[quote user=otester]How about less time gorping at how rich they are and start working on your own scheme to get up the ladder? [/quote]
I think you're wrong there. It is your business when it affects the community you live in. It's less about "gorping" about the rich, and more about seeing how things could be better. [/quote]
You have to understand why they are holding on to their money instead of dumping it back into the market like they were. I think they are thinking, "Why would I dump money into these financial markets when they have been performing so badly?" Jesus Christ, look at MF Global and what fucking Chase Bank just did. 2 Billion lost. So people are still panicking and saying I'll hold on to my money for now thank you. I personally would be getting into the market myself because there are quite a few deals going on out there........
The psychology out there isn't exactly inviting for people to invest in the markets it seems. Plus you have governments around the world in upheaval. Semblances of certainty seem to be far and few between and transparency in the banking industry seems quite nil. Couple that with these wacky governments, some of which get up on a podium day after day saying how they want your head. To them, it doesn't sound like a game they would want to get into full monty........
As I have always said.....we need our clear, concise regulations back. i.e. Glass-Steagall as a start. That alone would have been at least one firewall against shit like Chase bank did......
HomeBrew wrote:
Cyril wrote:
It aint that the rich aint taxed enough, it is that they are hording all the wealth. they are not reinvesting the money into their own employees, improving working conditions, increasing wages, doing philanthropy work. they just reinvest it to their own greedy selfish means instead of using the money to improve the situation.
This. There was a time when owners of big companies did act like that, and they were still very successful. In this area it was George F Johnson (EJ Shoe Factory) and later on, Thomas Watson (IBM). Unfortunately, when they were gone, their successors decided the money in their pockets was more important than the communities that helped build them up and now these companies are gone. It's not something that can be enforced, and it shouldn't be. However, setting a good example can go a long way, and that's what I hope to accomplish someday with my company by following in their footsteps.
otester wrote:
How about less time gorping at how rich they are and start working on your own scheme to get up the ladder?
I think you're wrong there. It is your business when it affects the community you live in. It's less about "gorping" about the rich, and more about seeing how things could be better.
You have to understand why they are holding on to their money instead of dumping it back into the market like they were. I think they are thinking, "Why would I dump money into these financial markets when they have been performing so badly?" Jesus Christ, look at MF Global and what fucking Chase Bank just did. 2 Billion lost. So people are still panicking and saying I'll hold on to my money for now thank you. I personally would be getting into the market myself because there are quite a few deals going on out there........
The psychology out there isn't exactly inviting for people to invest in the markets it seems. Plus you have governments around the world in upheaval. Semblances of certainty seem to be far and few between and transparency in the banking industry seems quite nil. Couple that with these wacky governments, some of which get up on a podium day after day saying how they want your head. To them, it doesn't sound like a game they would want to get into full monty........
As I have always said.....we need our clear, concise regulations back. i.e. Glass-Steagall as a start. That alone would have been at least one firewall against shit like Chase bank did......
^ I'll admit, I don't know that much about the financial markets. I do understand what you're saying about the fears the wealthy have investing in it and I don't blame them. From a simplistic view, why wouldn't they invest in companies that they see that have a good future? The companies grow, the investors make money, people have jobs, etc. Am I being too simplistic? I dunno. Prolly. As far as the banks go, they can suck my ass. All the talking nobheads, back when I used to watch the news, were saying "the govt is giving the banks trillions of dollars to help small businesses get going". Five banks later I realized it was all bullshit. They had the money, but were only loaning to established businesses. Fortunately, we found a private investor who believed in us, and was even interested in my fucking business plan that none of the banks even bothered to read.
^ I'll admit, I don't know that much about the financial markets. I do understand what you're saying about the fears the wealthy have investing in it and I don't blame them. From a simplistic view, why wouldn't they invest in companies that they see that have a good future? The companies grow, the investors make money, people have jobs, etc. Am I being too simplistic? I dunno. Prolly. As far as the banks go, they can suck my ass. All the talking nobheads, back when I used to watch the news, were saying "the govt is giving the banks trillions of dollars to help small businesses get going". Five banks later I realized it was all bullshit. They had the money, but were only loaning to established businesses. Fortunately, we found a private investor who believed in us, and was even interested in my fucking business plan that none of the banks even bothered to read.
wait a minute, if i get a job, and i work the hours, and i want all the money i'm paid, im a greedy cunt.......lol you're one of those kids who thinks everyone owes you shit eh....i go to work, but i gotta buy your beer? and i'm crazy.....what in the fuck
wait a minute, if i get a job, and i work the hours, and i want all the money i'm paid, im a greedy cunt.......lol you're one of those kids who thinks everyone owes you shit eh....i go to work, but i gotta buy your beer? and i'm crazy.....what in the fuck
and eventually i wasn't buying you enough beer, so now you want more.....and i should be grateful? and not bitch?!? and if i don't, then i'm ruining the economy? what economy, your beer economy? ffs......for fucks motherfucking fucks tabernac goddamn fucking sakes fuck
and eventually i wasn't buying you enough beer, so now you want more.....and i should be grateful? and not bitch?!? and if i don't, then i'm ruining the economy? what economy, your beer economy? ffs......for fucks motherfucking fucks tabernac goddamn fucking sakes fuck
[quote user=HomeBrew] ^ I'll admit, I don't know that much about the financial markets. I do understand what you're saying about the fears the wealthy have investing in it and I don't blame them. From a simplistic view, why wouldn't they invest in companies that they see that have a good future? The companies grow, the investors make money, people have jobs, etc. Am I being too simplistic? I dunno. Prolly. As far as the banks go, they can suck my ass. All the talking nobheads, back when I used to watch the news, were saying "the govt is giving the banks trillions of dollars to help small businesses get going". Five banks later I realized it was all bullshit. They had the money, but were only loaning to established businesses. Fortunately, we found a private investor who believed in us, and was even interested in my fucking business plan that none of the banks even bothered to read.
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Credit Union is also another alternative to banks.
HomeBrew wrote:
^ I'll admit, I don't know that much about the financial markets. I do understand what you're saying about the fears the wealthy have investing in it and I don't blame them. From a simplistic view, why wouldn't they invest in companies that they see that have a good future? The companies grow, the investors make money, people have jobs, etc. Am I being too simplistic? I dunno. Prolly. As far as the banks go, they can suck my ass. All the talking nobheads, back when I used to watch the news, were saying "the govt is giving the banks trillions of dollars to help small businesses get going". Five banks later I realized it was all bullshit. They had the money, but were only loaning to established businesses. Fortunately, we found a private investor who believed in us, and was even interested in my fucking business plan that none of the banks even bothered to read.
Credit Union is also another alternative to banks.
[quote user=mmateri] wait a minute, if i get a job, and i work the hours, and i want all the money i'm paid, im a greedy cunt.......lol you're one of those kids who thinks everyone owes you shit eh....i go to work, but i gotta buy your beer? and i'm crazy.....what in the fuck [/quote]
[quote user=mmateri] and eventually i wasn't buying you enough beer, so now you want more.....and i should be grateful? and not bitch?!? and if i don't, then i'm ruining the economy? what economy, your beer economy? ffs......for fucks motherfucking fucks tabernac goddamn fucking sakes fuck [/quote]
You're such a piece of shit. Just because you make what,10k/year? you insist on being a prick. If you would've just read people's comments instead of falling back in to your delusion of wealth, you would realise our point : GREED IN THE TOP OF CORPORATE CULTURE HAS THEM HOARDING BILLIONS OF DOLLARS TOGETHER. If you want to facilitate the downfall of society, go ahead and let greed take over. If you have any form of decency and respect towards the working man(rich or poor) you oppose these ultra-rich greedy cunts. This is not about people taking your 10k/year, this is about getting people that make hundreds of thousands of dollars per year while sitting on multi million dollar companies which are part of a billion dollar cartel/monopoly to FUCKING PAY THEIR SHARE TOWARDS SOCIETY. Not investing is the worst thing you can do if you sit on a big amt. of money.
Sucking the lifeblood out of the economy then calling other people leftist greedy lazy cunts is the standard these days. Why don't you stop for a second and think what you're supporting here Matt, because if this breed of greedy people had their way you wouldn't even be earning 10k/year. You'd probably be euthanized.
mmateri wrote:
wait a minute, if i get a job, and i work the hours, and i want all the money i'm paid, im a greedy cunt.......lol you're one of those kids who thinks everyone owes you shit eh....i go to work, but i gotta buy your beer? and i'm crazy.....what in the fuck
mmateri wrote:
and eventually i wasn't buying you enough beer, so now you want more.....and i should be grateful? and not bitch?!? and if i don't, then i'm ruining the economy? what economy, your beer economy? ffs......for fucks motherfucking fucks tabernac goddamn fucking sakes fuck
You're such a piece of shit. Just because you make what,10k/year? you insist on being a prick. If you would've just read people's comments instead of falling back in to your delusion of wealth, you would realise our point : GREED IN THE TOP OF CORPORATE CULTURE HAS THEM HOARDING BILLIONS OF DOLLARS TOGETHER. If you want to facilitate the downfall of society, go ahead and let greed take over. If you have any form of decency and respect towards the working man(rich or poor) you oppose these ultra-rich greedy cunts. This is not about people taking your 10k/year, this is about getting people that make hundreds of thousands of dollars per year while sitting on multi million dollar companies which are part of a billion dollar cartel/monopoly to FUCKING PAY THEIR SHARE TOWARDS SOCIETY. Not investing is the worst thing you can do if you sit on a big amt. of money.
Sucking the lifeblood out of the economy then calling other people leftist greedy lazy cunts is the standard these days. Why don't you stop for a second and think what you're supporting here Matt, because if this breed of greedy people had their way you wouldn't even be earning 10k/year. You'd probably be euthanized.
[quote user=fuckyoutan] [quote user=mmateri]wait a minute, if i get a job, and i work the hours, and i want all the money i'm paid, im a greedy cunt.......lol you're one of those kids who thinks everyone owes you shit eh....i go to work, but i gotta buy your beer? and i'm crazy.....what in the fuck[/quote]
[quote user=mmateri]and eventually i wasn't buying you enough beer, so now you want more.....and i should be grateful? and not bitch?!? and if i don't, then i'm ruining the economy? what economy, your beer economy? ffs......for fucks motherfucking fucks tabernac goddamn fucking sakes fuck[/quote]
You're such a piece of shit. Just because you make what,10k/year? you insist on being a prick. If you would've just read people's comments instead of falling back in to your delusion of wealth, you would realise our point : GREED IN THE TOP OF CORPORATE CULTURE HAS THEM HOARDING BILLIONS OF DOLLARS TOGETHER. If you want to facilitate the downfall of society, go ahead and let greed take over. If you have any form of decency and respect towards the working man(rich or poor) you oppose these ultra-rich greedy cunts. This is not about people taking your 10k/year, this is about getting people that make hundreds of thousands of dollars per year while sitting on multi million dollar companies which are part of a billion dollar cartel/monopoly to FUCKING PAY THEIR SHARE TOWARDS SOCIETY. Not investing is the worst thing you can do if you sit on a big amt. of money.
Sucking the lifeblood out of the economy then calling other people leftist greedy lazy cunts is the standard these days. Why don't you stop for a second and think what you're supporting here Matt, because if this breed of greedy people had their way you wouldn't even be earning 10k/year. You'd probably be euthanized. [/quote]
You're not born in debt to anyone.
You're just jelly, plain and simple.
fuckyoutan wrote:
mmateri wrote:
wait a minute, if i get a job, and i work the hours, and i want all the money i'm paid, im a greedy cunt.......lol you're one of those kids who thinks everyone owes you shit eh....i go to work, but i gotta buy your beer? and i'm crazy.....what in the fuck
mmateri wrote:
and eventually i wasn't buying you enough beer, so now you want more.....and i should be grateful? and not bitch?!? and if i don't, then i'm ruining the economy? what economy, your beer economy? ffs......for fucks motherfucking fucks tabernac goddamn fucking sakes fuck
You're such a piece of shit. Just because you make what,10k/year? you insist on being a prick. If you would've just read people's comments instead of falling back in to your delusion of wealth, you would realise our point : GREED IN THE TOP OF CORPORATE CULTURE HAS THEM HOARDING BILLIONS OF DOLLARS TOGETHER. If you want to facilitate the downfall of society, go ahead and let greed take over. If you have any form of decency and respect towards the working man(rich or poor) you oppose these ultra-rich greedy cunts. This is not about people taking your 10k/year, this is about getting people that make hundreds of thousands of dollars per year while sitting on multi million dollar companies which are part of a billion dollar cartel/monopoly to FUCKING PAY THEIR SHARE TOWARDS SOCIETY. Not investing is the worst thing you can do if you sit on a big amt. of money.
Sucking the lifeblood out of the economy then calling other people leftist greedy lazy cunts is the standard these days. Why don't you stop for a second and think what you're supporting here Matt, because if this breed of greedy people had their way you wouldn't even be earning 10k/year. You'd probably be euthanized.
[quote user=otester] [quote user=fuckyoutan]Sucking the lifeblood out of the economy then calling other people leftist greedy lazy cunts is the standard these days. Why don't you stop for a second and think what you're supporting here Matt, because if this breed of greedy people had their way you wouldn't even be earning 10k/year. You'd probably be euthanized.[/quote]
You're not born in debt to anyone.
You're just jelly, plain and simple. [/quote]
fail trolltester
otester wrote:
fuckyoutan wrote:
Sucking the lifeblood out of the economy then calling other people leftist greedy lazy cunts is the standard these days. Why don't you stop for a second and think what you're supporting here Matt, because if this breed of greedy people had their way you wouldn't even be earning 10k/year. You'd probably be euthanized.
[quote user=Matt2k35] Your existence is pointless, Wolffe. Why don't you go and delete all your comments one by one? [/quote]
You are a jaded cunt, whom hates the world and finds something to hate in the happiest of things. Get laid or something, smoke a nice bong and enjoy life.
Matt2k35 wrote:
Your existence is pointless, Wolffe. Why don't you go and delete all your comments one by one?
You are a jaded cunt, whom hates the world and finds something to hate in the happiest of things. Get laid or something, smoke a nice bong and enjoy life.
[quote user=Wolffe] [quote user=Matt2k35]Your existence is pointless, Wolffe. Why don't you go and delete all your comments one by one?[/quote]
You are a jaded cunt, whom hates the world and finds something to hate in the happiest of things. Get laid or something, smoke a nice bong and enjoy life. [/quote]
?? Wolffe got laid all of the sudden? What changed?
Wolffe wrote:
Matt2k35 wrote:
Your existence is pointless, Wolffe. Why don't you go and delete all your comments one by one?
You are a jaded cunt, whom hates the world and finds something to hate in the happiest of things. Get laid or something, smoke a nice bong and enjoy life.
?? Wolffe got laid all of the sudden? What changed?
[quote user=Wolffe] [quote user=mmateri]more than 10k/month avg motherfucker lol[/quote]
I'm sure you think you're a bigshot but it's just a number bro. [/quote]
He lets the real rich people propaganda get to him so now he feels entitled enough to blame other people of the same.
Mmat ur a pathetic fatass wannabe ;) Ur not rich, nor are u in a position to speak about what we as society can do to exterminate a couple of money hungry individualist cunts.
Wolffe wrote:
mmateri wrote:
more than 10k/month avg motherfucker lol
I'm sure you think you're a bigshot but it's just a number bro.
He lets the real rich people propaganda get to him so now he feels entitled enough to blame other people of the same.
Mmat ur a pathetic fatass wannabe Ur not rich, nor are u in a position to speak about what we as society can do to exterminate a couple of money hungry individualist cunts.
[quote user=fuckyoutan] [quote user=Wolffe]I'm sure you think you're a bigshot but it's just a number bro.[/quote]
He lets the real rich people propaganda get to him so now he feels entitled enough to blame other people of the same.
Mmat ur a pathetic fatass wannabe ;) Ur not rich, nor are u in a position to speak about what we as society can do to exterminate a couple of money hungry individualist cunts. [/quote]
U can't even speall. Why should any1 lissen to u? The "REAL" rich people.......wh8ever that meens. Maybe when you grow the fuck up and at least have some fucking respect for your own language, people will take you a little more seriously. Seriously.......
fuckyoutan wrote:
Wolffe wrote:
I'm sure you think you're a bigshot but it's just a number bro.
He lets the real rich people propaganda get to him so now he feels entitled enough to blame other people of the same.
Mmat ur a pathetic fatass wannabe Ur not rich, nor are u in a position to speak about what we as society can do to exterminate a couple of money hungry individualist cunts.
U can't even speall. Why should any1 lissen to u? The "REAL" rich people.......wh8ever that meens. Maybe when you grow the fuck up and at least have some fucking respect for your own language, people will take you a little more seriously. Seriously.......
[quote user=ShanusMaximus] [quote user=fuckyoutan]Mmat ur a pathetic fatass wannabe ;) Ur not rich, nor are u in a position to speak about what we as society can do to exterminate a couple of money hungry individualist cunts.[/quote]
U can't even speall. Why should any1 lissen to u? The "REAL" rich people.......wh8ever that meens. Maybe when you grow the fuck up and at least have some fucking respect for your own language, people will take you a little more seriously. Seriously....... [/quote]
1 . not my own language 2 . im referring to older comments where i compare regular big earners to ultra-rich fatcats 3 . stop defending a salmon fucker 4 . i can spell as neatly as i want to and last of all, i dont need your restecp
ShanusMaximus wrote:
fuckyoutan wrote:
Mmat ur a pathetic fatass wannabe Ur not rich, nor are u in a position to speak about what we as society can do to exterminate a couple of money hungry individualist cunts.
U can't even speall. Why should any1 lissen to u? The "REAL" rich people.......wh8ever that meens. Maybe when you grow the fuck up and at least have some fucking respect for your own language, people will take you a little more seriously. Seriously.......
1 . not my own language 2 . im referring to older comments where i compare regular big earners to ultra-rich fatcats 3 . stop defending a salmon fucker 4 . i can spell as neatly as i want to and last of all, i dont need your restecp
[quote user=ShanusMaximus] [quote user=fuckyoutan]Mmat ur a pathetic fatass wannabe ;) Ur not rich, nor are u in a position to speak about what we as society can do to exterminate a couple of money hungry individualist cunts.[/quote]
U can't even speall. Why should any1 lissen to u? The "REAL" rich people.......wh8ever that meens. Maybe when you grow the fuck up and at least have some fucking respect for your own language, people will take you a little more seriously. Seriously....... [/quote]
He's a chav welfare queen, what ya expect? He so smatr.
ShanusMaximus wrote:
fuckyoutan wrote:
Mmat ur a pathetic fatass wannabe Ur not rich, nor are u in a position to speak about what we as society can do to exterminate a couple of money hungry individualist cunts.
U can't even speall. Why should any1 lissen to u? The "REAL" rich people.......wh8ever that meens. Maybe when you grow the fuck up and at least have some fucking respect for your own language, people will take you a little more seriously. Seriously.......
He's a chav welfare queen, what ya expect? He so smatr.
[quote user=otester] [quote user=ShanusMaximus]U can't even speall. Why should any1 lissen to u? The "REAL" rich people.......wh8ever that meens. Maybe when you grow the fuck up and at least have some fucking respect for your own language, people will take you a little more seriously. Seriously.......[/quote]
He's a chav welfare queen, what ya expect? He so smatr. [/quote]
weak, like your mental constructs involving global conspiracy
otester wrote:
ShanusMaximus wrote:
U can't even speall. Why should any1 lissen to u? The "REAL" rich people.......wh8ever that meens. Maybe when you grow the fuck up and at least have some fucking respect for your own language, people will take you a little more seriously. Seriously.......
He's a chav welfare queen, what ya expect? He so smatr.
weak, like your mental constructs involving global conspiracy
[quote user=fuckyoutan] [quote user=ShanusMaximus]U can't even speall. Why should any1 lissen to u? The "REAL" rich people.......wh8ever that meens. Maybe when you grow the fuck up and at least have some fucking respect for your own language, people will take you a little more seriously. Seriously.......[/quote]
1 . not my own language 2 . im referring to older comments where i compare regular big earners to ultra-rich fatcats 3 . stop defending a salmon fucker 4 . i can spell as neatly as i want to and last of all, i dont need your restecp [/quote]
I was able to decipher, maybe, half of that. So you can spell, but you choose not to. Well, that settles it................
fuckyoutan wrote:
ShanusMaximus wrote:
U can't even speall. Why should any1 lissen to u? The "REAL" rich people.......wh8ever that meens. Maybe when you grow the fuck up and at least have some fucking respect for your own language, people will take you a little more seriously. Seriously.......
1 . not my own language 2 . im referring to older comments where i compare regular big earners to ultra-rich fatcats 3 . stop defending a salmon fucker 4 . i can spell as neatly as i want to and last of all, i dont need your restecp
I was able to decipher, maybe, half of that. So you can spell, but you choose not to. Well, that settles it................
Boy, old Rahmbo seems to have chapped your ass Chavez. Sup with that? Not quite the mayor you thought he would be? [/quote]
lols, I just don't like the stupid red light / speed cameras he's adding to the city. Thought its not unique to downtown, I got caught by one a few months ago in the west suburbs, cost me $100. Also, next week I'm going to have to chill in the suburbs since they are shutting down parts of the expressway for the Nato summit. Honestly, he's a douchebag, but a less corrupt one than the Daleys (father and son) who ruled Chicago for 40 plus years.
ShanusMaximus wrote:
darkzevahc wrote:
free him? no
Boy, old Rahmbo seems to have chapped your ass Chavez. Sup with that? Not quite the mayor you thought he would be?
lols, I just don't like the stupid red light / speed cameras he's adding to the city. Thought its not unique to downtown, I got caught by one a few months ago in the west suburbs, cost me $100. Also, next week I'm going to have to chill in the suburbs since they are shutting down parts of the expressway for the Nato summit. Honestly, he's a douchebag, but a less corrupt one than the Daleys (father and son) who ruled Chicago for 40 plus years.
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I don't like the rich. I enjoy their butthurt.
I don't like the rich. I enjoy their butthurt.
I don't like the rich. I enjoy their butthurt.
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You enjoy mediocrity, you lack ambition and success.
I don't like the rich. I enjoy their butthurt.
You enjoy mediocrity, you lack ambition and success.
Looking back at my life I am constantly surprised how little have I accomplished through ambition and hard work and how much have I gained through friends and sheer dumb fucking luck.
Looking back at my life I am constantly surprised how little have I accomplished through ambition and hard work and how much have I gained through friends and sheer dumb fucking luck.
Looking back at my life I am constantly surprised how little have I accomplished through ambition and hard work and how much have I gained through friends and sheer dumb fucking luck.
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I value success on what has been accomplished through ambition and hard work.
This explains why you don't respect liberty.
Looking back at my life I am constantly surprised how little have I accomplished through ambition and hard work and how much have I gained through friends and sheer dumb fucking luck.
I value success on what has been accomplished through ambition and hard work.
This explains why you don't respect liberty.
Looking back at my life I am constantly surprised how little have I accomplished through ambition and hard work and how much have I gained through friends and sheer dumb fucking luck.
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yeah, ain't that the universal fukken truth?
Looking back at my life I am constantly surprised how little have I accomplished through ambition and hard work and how much have I gained through friends and sheer dumb fucking luck.
yeah, ain't that the universal fukken truth?
yeah, ain't that the universal fukken truth?
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Not necessarily. I've only gotten to the point I am now due to many long hours of study and constantly updating that knowledge. I haven't gotten any work out of "Dumb Luck" It way my effort and tenacity that got me those oppotunities.
That said, France has a right of self determination. If thats the way the wish to govern their nation, so be it.
yeah, ain't that the universal fukken truth?
Not necessarily. I've only gotten to the point I am now due to many long hours of study and constantly updating that knowledge. I haven't gotten any work out of "Dumb Luck" It way my effort and tenacity that got me those oppotunities.
That said, France has a right of self determination. If thats the way the wish to govern their nation, so be it.
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Meeting people and getting contacts within your industry is not hard work?
Meeting people and getting contacts within your industry is not hard work?
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They don't owe anyone else anything.
They don't owe anyone else anything.
getting a promotion or a raise might happen just cos the boss likes you, you're the fun guy to meet by the coffee machine. luck
getting a promotion or a raise might happen cos you've been offered a better position somewhere else, from the people you know and network with, and your boss wants to outbid them. professional friendships.
getting a promotion or a raise might happen just cos the boss likes you, you're the fun guy to meet by the coffee machine. luck
getting a promotion or a raise might happen cos you've been offered a better position somewhere else, from the people you know and network with, and your boss wants to outbid them. professional friendships.
They don't owe anyone else anything.
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Yeah, fortunately you're wrong.
Let see. Who stands to gain the most from a banking bailout from these two people?
Average Joe who earns £16k a year - has roughly £~3k saved at any point in time.
Rich Man Jack who earns £375k a year and has £1.5million in savings (not including other assets such as houses and investments).
Government can only underwrite £50k of savings.
So, who stands to lose the most? Sure enough a bank liquidation would affect them both but one of them is going to lose out majorly.
Correct Answer: Rich Man Jack is going to lose out the most and stands to gain (retain) the most from a banking bailout.
Nothing wrong with paying your fair share towards the upkeep of the country. If France implements a 75% tax rate that would be fucking justice. The people leaving the country are selfish bastards who weren't any good for it in the first place. If you're only dealing with a country to exploit it and save yourself money you're better off gone.
So, yeah, you're wrong otester. Suck it.
They don't owe anyone else anything.
Yeah, fortunately you're wrong.
Let see. Who stands to gain the most from a banking bailout from these two people?
Average Joe who earns £16k a year - has roughly £~3k saved at any point in time.
Rich Man Jack who earns £375k a year and has £1.5million in savings (not including other assets such as houses and investments).
Government can only underwrite £50k of savings.
So, who stands to lose the most? Sure enough a bank liquidation would affect them both but one of them is going to lose out majorly.
Correct Answer: Rich Man Jack is going to lose out the most and stands to gain (retain) the most from a banking bailout.
Nothing wrong with paying your fair share towards the upkeep of the country. If France implements a 75% tax rate that would be fucking justice. The people leaving the country are selfish bastards who weren't any good for it in the first place. If you're only dealing with a country to exploit it and save yourself money you're better off gone.
So, yeah, you're wrong otester. Suck it.
and where do you get your numbers? 75% seems an awful lot, except for the ultra-rich
and where do you get your numbers? 75% seems an awful lot, except for the ultra-rich
Yeah, fortunately you're wrong.
Let see. Who stands to gain the most from a banking bailout from these two people?
Average Joe who earns £16k a year - has roughly £~3k saved at any point in time.
Rich Man Jack who earns £375k a year and has £1.5million in savings (not including other assets such as houses and investments).
Government can only underwrite £50k of savings.
So, who stands to lose the most? Sure enough a bank liquidation would affect them both but one of them is going to lose out majorly.
Correct Answer: Rich Man Jack is going to lose out the most and stands to gain (retain) the most from a banking bailout.
Nothing wrong with paying your fair share towards the upkeep of the country. If France implements a 75% tax rate that would be fucking justice. The people leaving the country are selfish bastards who weren't any good for it in the first place. If you're only dealing with a country to exploit it and save yourself money you're better off gone.
So, yeah, you're wrong otester. Suck it.
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That's not my fucking problem.
Yeah, fortunately you're wrong.
Let see. Who stands to gain the most from a banking bailout from these two people?
Average Joe who earns £16k a year - has roughly £~3k saved at any point in time.
Rich Man Jack who earns £375k a year and has £1.5million in savings (not including other assets such as houses and investments).
Government can only underwrite £50k of savings.
So, who stands to lose the most? Sure enough a bank liquidation would affect them both but one of them is going to lose out majorly.
Correct Answer: Rich Man Jack is going to lose out the most and stands to gain (retain) the most from a banking bailout.
Nothing wrong with paying your fair share towards the upkeep of the country. If France implements a 75% tax rate that would be fucking justice. The people leaving the country are selfish bastards who weren't any good for it in the first place. If you're only dealing with a country to exploit it and save yourself money you're better off gone.
So, yeah, you're wrong otester. Suck it.
That's not my fucking problem.
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I'm sure King Louis thought the same.
I'm sure King Louis thought the same.
Looking back at my life I am constantly surprised how little have I accomplished through ambition and hard work and how much have I gained through friends and sheer dumb fucking luck.
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I wouldn't call going along to get along "success". Then again success is a relative term. So what exactly is this success that you seem to think you have attained? Two hots and a cot?
@Matt
"Nothing wrong with paying your fair share towards the upkeep of the country. If France implements a 75% tax rate that would be fucking justice. The people leaving the country are selfish bastards who weren't any good for it in the first place. If you're only dealing with a country to exploit it and save yourself money you're better off gone."
Only in bizzaro universe (Europe) could 75% be considered fair. I tell you what.....why don't YOU pay 50% and the rich guy pays 50%. That's fair. Oh, but wait....in Matt world if I have a pie it's fair if I take 75% and you get 25%. Oh well.....the French fucking morons are going to end up paying for all these goodies and campaign promises on their own, because there aren't going to be enough "rich" people to pay for all the fucking handouts. Because as we have seen by the European attitude, you won't fucking work because you don't value it at all................you simply punish those that do. You are mad because they have ambition....and you don't
It is absolutely fucking inane and moronic to think that hard work and working smarter don't factor into climbing the ladder. It would seem to me.....that you people are not worth helping. I have a problem with helping people who refuse to help themselves.
[quote user=sailirish7] [quote user=norwegianmog]^while you might need some sort of education and hard work in that regard, your professional career is in most fields determined by the people you know and your luck[/quote]
Meeting people and getting contacts within your industry is not hard work?
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Nope. Has nothing to do with it Sails. You are just a fucking idiot for trying so hard. I mean hell.......that house you put an offer on? The only reason you attained that level in your life is because "somebody liked you". In fact, with the European attitude maybe you can just go around sucking people's dicks. THAT is what will bring SUCCESS!!!!!!
These fucking morons. SOMEBODY HAS TO DO THE FUCKING WORK AND IF THEY AREN'T WHO IS?!????!?!??!?!?!??! I can't believe the straight up bigotry. You are rich because you stole it and never worked for it? Well then....you are poor because you are an unambitious, lazy, spoiled, wanton, fucking parasite. I mean, if we are going to legislate by generalities......it is only FAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAIR.
Beelz is right....this is going to be absolutely disastrous for France. They have totally jumped the shark. The end result will be delicious........
[video]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5OhnQEP2Hl4[/video]
Looking back at my life I am constantly surprised how little have I accomplished through ambition and hard work and how much have I gained through friends and sheer dumb fucking luck.
I wouldn't call going along to get along "success". Then again success is a relative term. So what exactly is this success that you seem to think you have attained? Two hots and a cot?
@Matt
"Nothing wrong with paying your fair share towards the upkeep of the country. If France implements a 75% tax rate that would be fucking justice. The people leaving the country are selfish bastards who weren't any good for it in the first place. If you're only dealing with a country to exploit it and save yourself money you're better off gone."
Only in bizzaro universe (Europe) could 75% be considered fair. I tell you what.....why don't YOU pay 50% and the rich guy pays 50%. That's fair. Oh, but wait....in Matt world if I have a pie it's fair if I take 75% and you get 25%. Oh well.....the French fucking morons are going to end up paying for all these goodies and campaign promises on their own, because there aren't going to be enough "rich" people to pay for all the fucking handouts. Because as we have seen by the European attitude, you won't fucking work because you don't value it at all................you simply punish those that do. You are mad because they have ambition....and you don't
It is absolutely fucking inane and moronic to think that hard work and working smarter don't factor into climbing the ladder. It would seem to me.....that you people are not worth helping. I have a problem with helping people who refuse to help themselves.
Meeting people and getting contacts within your industry is not hard work?
Nope. Has nothing to do with it Sails. You are just a fucking idiot for trying so hard. I mean hell.......that house you put an offer on? The only reason you attained that level in your life is because "somebody liked you". In fact, with the European attitude maybe you can just go around sucking people's dicks. THAT is what will bring SUCCESS!!!!!!
These fucking morons. SOMEBODY HAS TO DO THE FUCKING WORK AND IF THEY AREN'T WHO IS?!????!?!??!?!?!??! I can't believe the straight up bigotry. You are rich because you stole it and never worked for it? Well then....you are poor because you are an unambitious, lazy, spoiled, wanton, fucking parasite. I mean, if we are going to legislate by generalities......it is only FAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAIR.
Beelz is right....this is going to be absolutely disastrous for France. They have totally jumped the shark. The end result will be delicious........
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Greedy cunt, this recession is partly caused by too much money behind held by ultra-rich people. Who gives a fuck about the fact that they worked hard? They didn't work harder than the work-hard-for-their money rich guys, so why the bizarre amt. of money?
Greedy cunt, this recession is partly caused by too much money behind held by ultra-rich people. Who gives a fuck about the fact that they worked hard? They didn't work harder than the work-hard-for-their money rich guys, so why the bizarre amt. of money?
Greedy cunt, this recession is partly caused by too much money behind held by ultra-rich people. Who gives a fuck about the fact that they worked hard? They didn't work harder than the work-hard-for-their money rich guys, so why the bizarre amt. of money?
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And you wanting 75% isn't greedy???? HAHAHA!! And yes, most of the "rich" did work for it.
Recently, PNC Wealth Management conducted a survey of people with more than $500,000 free to invest as they like, a fair definition of “wealthy,” and possibly “millionaire” once you begin including home equity and other assets. Only 6% of those surveyed earned their money from inheritance alone. 69% earned their wealth mostly by trading time and effort for money, or by “working."
Greedy cunt, this recession is partly caused by too much money behind held by ultra-rich people. Who gives a fuck about the fact that they worked hard? They didn't work harder than the work-hard-for-their money rich guys, so why the bizarre amt. of money?
And you wanting 75% isn't greedy???? HAHAHA!! And yes, most of the "rich" did work for it.
Recently, PNC Wealth Management conducted a survey of people with more than $500,000 free to invest as they like, a fair definition of “wealthy,” and possibly “millionaire” once you begin including home equity and other assets. Only 6% of those surveyed earned their money from inheritance alone. 69% earned their wealth mostly by trading time and effort for money, or by “working."
Greedy cunt, this recession is partly caused by too much money behind held by ultra-rich people. Who gives a fuck about the fact that they worked hard? They didn't work harder than the work-hard-for-their money rich guys, so why the bizarre amt. of money?
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Greedy cunt, this recession is partly caused by too much money behind held by ultra-rich people. Who gives a fuck about the fact that they worked hard? They didn't work harder than the work-hard-for-their money rich guys, so why the bizarre amt. of money?
And you wanting 75% isn't greedy???? HAHAHA!! And yes, most of the "rich" did work for it.
Recently, PNC Wealth Management conducted a survey of people with more than $500,000 free to invest as they like, a fair definition of “wealthy,” and possibly “millionaire” once you begin including home equity and other assets. Only 6% of those surveyed earned their money from inheritance alone. 69% earned their wealth mostly by trading time and effort for money, or by “working."
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Thank you, didn't quite have the patience to reply myself.
And you wanting 75% isn't greedy???? HAHAHA!! And yes, most of the "rich" did work for it.
Recently, PNC Wealth Management conducted a survey of people with more than $500,000 free to invest as they like, a fair definition of “wealthy,” and possibly “millionaire” once you begin including home equity and other assets. Only 6% of those surveyed earned their money from inheritance alone. 69% earned their wealth mostly by trading time and effort for money, or by “working."
Thank you, didn't quite have the patience to reply myself.
That's not my fucking problem.
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Yeah, but it actually is. If the banks went down you'd suffer, problem is the rich people would've suffered much more. Therefore it's fair that they pay more.
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Only in bizzaro universe (Europe) could 75% be considered fair. I tell you what.....why don't YOU pay 50% and the rich guy pays 50%. That's fair. Oh, but wait....in Matt world if I have a pie it's fair if I take 75% and you get 25%. Oh well.....the French fucking morons are going to end up paying for all these goodies and campaign promises on their own, because there aren't going to be enough "rich" people to pay for all the fucking handouts. Because as we have seen by the European attitude, you won't fucking work because you don't value it at all................you simply punish those that do. You are mad because they have ambition....and you don't
It is absolutely fucking inane and moronic to think that hard work and working smarter don't factor into climbing the ladder. It would seem to me.....that you people are not worth helping. I have a problem with helping people who refuse to help themselves.
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Yeah but you're American and will never be able to see the benefits of a socialist system where your tax money goes towards the greater good.
I don't want any of the fucking pie. I want the money to go into schools, hospitals and infrastructure. How about some spare money for the government to invest into technology that comes license and patent free? No matter the level of pay that's all things everyone can benefit from.
Out of interest. From your wage how much is deducted in taxes and what percentage of what you earn goes into healthcare for you and your family?
[quote user=ShanusMaximus] [quote user=fuckyoutan]Greedy cunt, this recession is partly caused by too much money behind held by ultra-rich people. Who gives a fuck about the fact that they worked hard? They didn't work harder than the work-hard-for-their money rich guys, so why the bizarre amt. of money?[/quote]
And you wanting 75% isn't greedy???? HAHAHA!! And yes, most of the "rich" did work for it.
Recently, PNC Wealth Management conducted a survey of people with more than $500,000 free to invest as they like, a fair definition of “wealthy,” and possibly “millionaire” once you begin including home equity and other assets. Only 6% of those surveyed earned their money from inheritance alone. 69% earned their wealth mostly by trading time and effort for money, or by “working."
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He wants it personally? If he did there'd be a greed problem.
The problem is rich business owners who don't earn the amount of money they get. Sure they get where they are by hard work, but I'm ALWAYS reminded of CEO's of large mulitnational companies taking home ludicrous amounts of money a year and ploughing it into offshore tax havens to avoid paying the proper taxes. All the while there are people at the bottom of that corporations ladder struggling to get by who can't afford an accountant to tax avoid for them and have to pay every cent they are due to and stuggle to get by. There's no break for them, they can't afford childcare and have to rely on family members to look after the kids and such. Yet, people like them make ALL the money for the company. Walmart top Exec's rake in millions a year... but puts the products on the shelves? Who scans them through the tills and serves the customers? The people at the bottom of the shit pile.
That's not my fucking problem.
Yeah, but it actually is. If the banks went down you'd suffer, problem is the rich people would've suffered much more. Therefore it's fair that they pay more.
Only in bizzaro universe (Europe) could 75% be considered fair. I tell you what.....why don't YOU pay 50% and the rich guy pays 50%. That's fair. Oh, but wait....in Matt world if I have a pie it's fair if I take 75% and you get 25%. Oh well.....the French fucking morons are going to end up paying for all these goodies and campaign promises on their own, because there aren't going to be enough "rich" people to pay for all the fucking handouts. Because as we have seen by the European attitude, you won't fucking work because you don't value it at all................you simply punish those that do. You are mad because they have ambition....and you don't
It is absolutely fucking inane and moronic to think that hard work and working smarter don't factor into climbing the ladder. It would seem to me.....that you people are not worth helping. I have a problem with helping people who refuse to help themselves.
Yeah but you're American and will never be able to see the benefits of a socialist system where your tax money goes towards the greater good.
I don't want any of the fucking pie. I want the money to go into schools, hospitals and infrastructure. How about some spare money for the government to invest into technology that comes license and patent free? No matter the level of pay that's all things everyone can benefit from.
Out of interest. From your wage how much is deducted in taxes and what percentage of what you earn goes into healthcare for you and your family?
And you wanting 75% isn't greedy???? HAHAHA!! And yes, most of the "rich" did work for it.
Recently, PNC Wealth Management conducted a survey of people with more than $500,000 free to invest as they like, a fair definition of “wealthy,” and possibly “millionaire” once you begin including home equity and other assets. Only 6% of those surveyed earned their money from inheritance alone. 69% earned their wealth mostly by trading time and effort for money, or by “working."
He wants it personally? If he did there'd be a greed problem.
The problem is rich business owners who don't earn the amount of money they get. Sure they get where they are by hard work, but I'm ALWAYS reminded of CEO's of large mulitnational companies taking home ludicrous amounts of money a year and ploughing it into offshore tax havens to avoid paying the proper taxes. All the while there are people at the bottom of that corporations ladder struggling to get by who can't afford an accountant to tax avoid for them and have to pay every cent they are due to and stuggle to get by. There's no break for them, they can't afford childcare and have to rely on family members to look after the kids and such. Yet, people like them make ALL the money for the company. Walmart top Exec's rake in millions a year... but puts the products on the shelves? Who scans them through the tills and serves the customers? The people at the bottom of the shit pile.
Recently, PNC Wealth Management conducted a survey of people with more than $500,000 free to invest as they like, a fair definition of “wealthy,” and possibly “millionaire” once you begin including home equity and other assets. Only 6% of those surveyed earned their money from inheritance alone. 69% earned their wealth mostly by trading time and effort for money, or by “working." [/quote]
Thank you, didn't quite have the patience to reply myself.
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You mean you're too shoddy to articulate a point yourself? Isn't there a child porn debate still raging on that you should be attending to? I think the whole site thinks you're a paedo now.
Recently, PNC Wealth Management conducted a survey of people with more than $500,000 free to invest as they like, a fair definition of “wealthy,” and possibly “millionaire” once you begin including home equity and other assets. Only 6% of those surveyed earned their money from inheritance alone. 69% earned their wealth mostly by trading time and effort for money, or by “working."
Thank you, didn't quite have the patience to reply myself.
You mean you're too shoddy to articulate a point yourself? Isn't there a child porn debate still raging on that you should be attending to? I think the whole site thinks you're a paedo now.
....Or are we going to come back to "it's MINE" kind of reactionary posts? You know, typical greed?
....Or are we going to come back to "it's MINE" kind of reactionary posts? You know, typical greed?
However, I think the incomes in the IRS survery were much higher... I personally wouldn't consider $500K of equity to be particularly rich, and I doubt they are paying the highest tax rates. It sounds like the typical net worth of a (albeit older) household in France.
I guess there is a lot of material I could draw on to add to this thread, but I personally don't think taxes are the most important factors for entrepreneurship. Taxes are more important for attracting established, large corporations... and if taxes are your primary appeal, then they usually just want to keep their money in your banks - jobs go to the cheap labor.
Entrepreneurship requires flexible bankruptcy laws. You need quality educational institutions. You usually have some form of direct Government funding (military, energy, tech). Entrepreneurs are usually motivated by flexibility and intellectual challenges - most won't make any money, but they carry on because they like the work. Taxes aren't a concern because early entrepreneurs don't usually make a lot of money... and it's quite easy to shelter your income from taxes by building a business.
However, I think the incomes in the IRS survery were much higher... I personally wouldn't consider $500K of equity to be particularly rich, and I doubt they are paying the highest tax rates. It sounds like the typical net worth of a (albeit older) household in France.
I guess there is a lot of material I could draw on to add to this thread, but I personally don't think taxes are the most important factors for entrepreneurship. Taxes are more important for attracting established, large corporations... and if taxes are your primary appeal, then they usually just want to keep their money in your banks - jobs go to the cheap labor.
Entrepreneurship requires flexible bankruptcy laws. You need quality educational institutions. You usually have some form of direct Government funding (military, energy, tech). Entrepreneurs are usually motivated by flexibility and intellectual challenges - most won't make any money, but they carry on because they like the work. Taxes aren't a concern because early entrepreneurs don't usually make a lot of money... and it's quite easy to shelter your income from taxes by building a business.
Yeah, but it actually is. If the banks went down you'd suffer, problem is the rich people would've suffered much more. Therefore it's fair that they pay more.
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That's not an issue for the state, it's a private matter, same as if a company collapses etc.
[quote user=Matt2k35] [quote user=otester]Thank you, didn't quite have the patience to reply myself.[/quote]
You mean you're too shoddy to articulate a point yourself? Isn't there a child porn debate still raging on that you should be attending to? I think the whole site thinks you're a paedo now.
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When I purchase things I look at it from a value for money point of view, time is money to me.
[quote user=Matt2k35] And if you're a guy who's worked hard to get where you are this encourages you to keep the money your business earns in the business and not take out too much for yourself. Why bother taking €1m out of your company when you could take €900k @ 50% and see €450k instead of taking €1m @ 75% and taking €250k. You're saving €200k from being "wasted" and your company is slightly better off. Why not invest it in your company instead and help it see better profits? Your let your shareholders see a bigger dividend? Maybe split it amongst your employees as a bonus as a sign of good will? Investing it or given it to employees is a sure way of seeing better productivity.
....Or are we going to come back to "it's MINE" kind of reactionary posts? You know, typical greed?
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It's going to come back to "it's none of your (or the states) business".
Yeah, but it actually is. If the banks went down you'd suffer, problem is the rich people would've suffered much more. Therefore it's fair that they pay more.
That's not an issue for the state, it's a private matter, same as if a company collapses etc.
You mean you're too shoddy to articulate a point yourself? Isn't there a child porn debate still raging on that you should be attending to? I think the whole site thinks you're a paedo now.
When I purchase things I look at it from a value for money point of view, time is money to me.
....Or are we going to come back to "it's MINE" kind of reactionary posts? You know, typical greed?
It's going to come back to "it's none of your (or the states) business".
But as my dad says, most people that go from nothing to great wealth quickly often do not possess the self-control to keep it.
So we shall see in mmateri's case, but it isn't looking good (2 grand on 2 escorts, what a waste).
But as my dad says, most people that go from nothing to great wealth quickly often do not possess the self-control to keep it.
So we shall see in mmateri's case, but it isn't looking good (2 grand on 2 escorts, what a waste).
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Hey Eric, how are you doing today?
Hey Eric, how are you doing today?
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I think this clown's rhetoric alone is going to weaken an already weakened Europe and a weak Europe will suck for everyone. It seems that they simply hired this fool because they were mad at Sarkozy and I have this terrible feeling it is going to blow up in their faces. I think you will see some serious buyers remorse. But.....that is not anything new for France......
I think this clown's rhetoric alone is going to weaken an already weakened Europe and a weak Europe will suck for everyone. It seems that they simply hired this fool because they were mad at Sarkozy and I have this terrible feeling it is going to blow up in their faces. I think you will see some serious buyers remorse. But.....that is not anything new for France......
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I think this clown's rhetoric alone is going to weaken an already weakened Europe and a weak Europe will suck for everyone. It seems that they simply hired this fool because they were mad at Sarkozy and I have this terrible feeling it is going to blow up in their faces. I think you will see some serious buyers remorse. But.....that is not anything new for France......
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The Eurozone was doomed LONG before he was elected. Like I have said previously, if you want a common currency, you need to have rules and enforcement of them. Otherwise everyone does what they want and sticks the responsible country with the bill.
I think this clown's rhetoric alone is going to weaken an already weakened Europe and a weak Europe will suck for everyone. It seems that they simply hired this fool because they were mad at Sarkozy and I have this terrible feeling it is going to blow up in their faces. I think you will see some serious buyers remorse. But.....that is not anything new for France......
The Eurozone was doomed LONG before he was elected. Like I have said previously, if you want a common currency, you need to have rules and enforcement of them. Otherwise everyone does what they want and sticks the responsible country with the bill.
[quote user=Matt2k35]....Or are we going to come back to "it's MINE" kind of reactionary posts? You know, typical greed?[/quote]
It's going to come back to "it's none of your (or the states) business".
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Except that it is and there's fuck all you can do about it.
It's going to come back to "it's none of your (or the states) business".
Except that it is and there's fuck all you can do about it.
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lol nice!
Good to see this thread posted some discussion
While a lot of life comes down to dumb luck I do believe success in any field is mostly hard work and determination. Lots of people are motivated by lots of things but I'm pretty sure money and social status are right up there (although apparently not in france). When did you last hear someone say ' I wanna clean toilets?' or 'I'm gonna be a night cleaner'? Fact is night industrial cleaners earn more than I do with a degree and 3 years experience. Difference is I know my wages are going up every year at inflation + pay increase. Thats why I work so hard and study to keep up with all the tax law and shit. If someone suddenly wanted a 75% slice of my pie I can tell you just where I would tell him to shove it which is precisely what a lot of people will do.
I believe everybody is motivated at their core by improving their own living standards. That is clearly seen in politics (working classes vote labor, White collars vote liberal) social policy (lower classes are all for safety net and government assistance - higher classes think it is a waste of their tax dollars).
Although I do favour equality of sorts I think the individual should be able to raise their living standard through hard work. That's something that is in serious doubt with ueber high taxes.
When I see some of the people who walk out of the government assistance office... they dont deserve the money given to them. Lazy fucks should just clean themselves up a bit, show some motivation, discipline, and culture and get themselves a job. Nobody would hire the uncouth, unwashed, undisciplined bogans like them.
To summarize my random throughts I think there's a potential real brain drain problem and drain of motivated worker problem for france if they put this through.
lol nice!
Good to see this thread posted some discussion
While a lot of life comes down to dumb luck I do believe success in any field is mostly hard work and determination. Lots of people are motivated by lots of things but I'm pretty sure money and social status are right up there (although apparently not in france). When did you last hear someone say ' I wanna clean toilets?' or 'I'm gonna be a night cleaner'? Fact is night industrial cleaners earn more than I do with a degree and 3 years experience. Difference is I know my wages are going up every year at inflation + pay increase. Thats why I work so hard and study to keep up with all the tax law and shit. If someone suddenly wanted a 75% slice of my pie I can tell you just where I would tell him to shove it which is precisely what a lot of people will do.
I believe everybody is motivated at their core by improving their own living standards. That is clearly seen in politics (working classes vote labor, White collars vote liberal) social policy (lower classes are all for safety net and government assistance - higher classes think it is a waste of their tax dollars).
Although I do favour equality of sorts I think the individual should be able to raise their living standard through hard work. That's something that is in serious doubt with ueber high taxes.
When I see some of the people who walk out of the government assistance office... they dont deserve the money given to them. Lazy fucks should just clean themselves up a bit, show some motivation, discipline, and culture and get themselves a job. Nobody would hire the uncouth, unwashed, undisciplined bogans like them.
To summarize my random throughts I think there's a potential real brain drain problem and drain of motivated worker problem for france if they put this through.
At least in the US and Canada, the largest "education gap" is among those with advanced degrees - and they mainly vote with the left. Those on the bottom run are split between Conservative and Left-Liberal, usually over religious / social issues. True, the higher educated / earners generally favor open markets... working-class Conservatives prefer Government protection of industry and immigration, so it's not a clear distinction. In France, Sarkozy likewise needed to appeal to the rather "protectionist" Conservative working classes, by pushing against immigration.
So basically, we have a large portion of the higher-earning classes mainly voting with the left, even in Europe. There is a Libertarian group in opposition, but they are generally less educated and smaller in number... although their incomes are higher than most other Conservatives.
This is why I don't think I can say anything for certain - It seems the left can appeal to those who generally favor markets. "Socialists" of today often focus on tax-credits and market-friendly intervention, even when the Government accounts for 50% of GDP. I do not think France has a particularly generous "welfare" system for those who choose not to work. Their higher tax-rates are simply reflected in longer retirements and vacations, and higher spending in healthcare.
I think France has generally improved most of its numbers over the last couple decades. They are very productive, and rank highly in health in education. They work as much as Americans most of their lives, although they do retire earlier and go to school longer.
Many economists think they should raise their retirement age a bit, but other than that, they are among the best in the world. Although they have more small-business creation than countries like the US, I think they would improve entrepreneurship rates if they adopted more generous bankruptcy regulations. Technically, bankruptcy is probably more "Socialist".. but it's the only element they are missing.
Oh - and in France, people speak French. This tends to apply breaks to casual brain-drain. They also tend to be more equal than other developed countries. It's hard to know how much of this is just toothless complaining from the financial industry.
At least in the US and Canada, the largest "education gap" is among those with advanced degrees - and they mainly vote with the left. Those on the bottom run are split between Conservative and Left-Liberal, usually over religious / social issues. True, the higher educated / earners generally favor open markets... working-class Conservatives prefer Government protection of industry and immigration, so it's not a clear distinction. In France, Sarkozy likewise needed to appeal to the rather "protectionist" Conservative working classes, by pushing against immigration.
So basically, we have a large portion of the higher-earning classes mainly voting with the left, even in Europe. There is a Libertarian group in opposition, but they are generally less educated and smaller in number... although their incomes are higher than most other Conservatives.
This is why I don't think I can say anything for certain - It seems the left can appeal to those who generally favor markets. "Socialists" of today often focus on tax-credits and market-friendly intervention, even when the Government accounts for 50% of GDP. I do not think France has a particularly generous "welfare" system for those who choose not to work. Their higher tax-rates are simply reflected in longer retirements and vacations, and higher spending in healthcare.
I think France has generally improved most of its numbers over the last couple decades. They are very productive, and rank highly in health in education. They work as much as Americans most of their lives, although they do retire earlier and go to school longer.
Many economists think they should raise their retirement age a bit, but other than that, they are among the best in the world. Although they have more small-business creation than countries like the US, I think they would improve entrepreneurship rates if they adopted more generous bankruptcy regulations. Technically, bankruptcy is probably more "Socialist".. but it's the only element they are missing.
Oh - and in France, people speak French. This tends to apply breaks to casual brain-drain. They also tend to be more equal than other developed countries. It's hard to know how much of this is just toothless complaining from the financial industry.
Except that it is and there's fuck all you can do about it.
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More like it will result in accountants being more busy setting up 'bucket companies' and finding other loopholes.
As far as taking money out of companies I can only speak from the Australian perspective. In Australia - If you own a company there is very strict laws about taking money out of it and if a director 'takes' money out of the company Division 7A triggers. That means the director can:
- Repay the amount in full by the lodgement of the companies next tax return (roughly a year)
- Enter a loan agreement and pay interest on the loan to the company at market rates set by the tax office (7.55% p.a. 2012 year)
- Take the whole amount as an unfranked dividend and pay tax on that money at their own tax rate (bad bad bad that means they pay tax on the same money twice once in the company and once in their own tax return)
Basically my point is company money is already protected in the company - directors cant take money out willy nilly as they please. The only way to get money out of a company is to pay a dividend, directors fee, or directors wages.
I doubt that other countries in the world do not have similar measures in place.
Except that it is and there's fuck all you can do about it.
More like it will result in accountants being more busy setting up 'bucket companies' and finding other loopholes.
As far as taking money out of companies I can only speak from the Australian perspective. In Australia - If you own a company there is very strict laws about taking money out of it and if a director 'takes' money out of the company Division 7A triggers. That means the director can:
- Repay the amount in full by the lodgement of the companies next tax return (roughly a year)
- Enter a loan agreement and pay interest on the loan to the company at market rates set by the tax office (7.55% p.a. 2012 year)
- Take the whole amount as an unfranked dividend and pay tax on that money at their own tax rate (bad bad bad that means they pay tax on the same money twice once in the company and once in their own tax return)
Basically my point is company money is already protected in the company - directors cant take money out willy nilly as they please. The only way to get money out of a company is to pay a dividend, directors fee, or directors wages.
I doubt that other countries in the world do not have similar measures in place.
But as my dad says, most people that go from nothing to great wealth quickly often do not possess the self-control to keep it.
So we shall see in mmateri's case, but it isn't looking good (2 grand on 2 escorts, what a waste).
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You spent 500 on one escort for you and a friend. Considering you only got half of it I'd say that's pretty much the same thing.
But as my dad says, most people that go from nothing to great wealth quickly often do not possess the self-control to keep it.
So we shall see in mmateri's case, but it isn't looking good (2 grand on 2 escorts, what a waste).
You spent 500 on one escort for you and a friend. Considering you only got half of it I'd say that's pretty much the same thing.
Except that it is and there's fuck all you can do about it.
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Depends if you believe people are individuals or slaves.
Except that it is and there's fuck all you can do about it.
Depends if you believe people are individuals or slaves.
Depends if you believe people are individuals or slaves.
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you're never one to shy away from hyperbole are you?
Depends if you believe people are individuals or slaves.
you're never one to shy away from hyperbole are you?
It aint that the rich aint taxed enough, it is that they are hording all the wealth. they are not reinvesting the money into their own employees, improving working conditions, increasing wages, doing philanthropy work. they just reinvest it to their own greedy selfish means instead of using the money to improve the situation.
It aint that the rich aint taxed enough, it is that they are hording all the wealth. they are not reinvesting the money into their own employees, improving working conditions, increasing wages, doing philanthropy work. they just reinvest it to their own greedy selfish means instead of using the money to improve the situation.
It aint that the rich aint taxed enough, it is that they are hording all the wealth. they are not reinvesting the money into their own employees, improving working conditions, increasing wages, doing philanthropy work. they just reinvest it to their own greedy selfish means instead of using the money to improve the situation.
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It's none of your business what they do with their wealth.
How about less time gorping at how rich they are and start working on your own scheme to get up the ladder?
It aint that the rich aint taxed enough, it is that they are hording all the wealth. they are not reinvesting the money into their own employees, improving working conditions, increasing wages, doing philanthropy work. they just reinvest it to their own greedy selfish means instead of using the money to improve the situation.
It's none of your business what they do with their wealth.
How about less time gorping at how rich they are and start working on your own scheme to get up the ladder?
It aint that the rich aint taxed enough, it is that they are hording all the wealth. they are not reinvesting the money into their own employees, improving working conditions, increasing wages, doing philanthropy work. they just reinvest it to their own greedy selfish means instead of using the money to improve the situation.
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This.
There was a time when owners of big companies did act like that, and they were still very successful. In this area it was George F Johnson (EJ Shoe Factory) and later on, Thomas Watson (IBM). Unfortunately, when they were gone, their successors decided the money in their pockets was more important than the communities that helped build them up and now these companies are gone.
It's not something that can be enforced, and it shouldn't be. However, setting a good example can go a long way, and that's what I hope to accomplish someday with my company by following in their footsteps.
[quote user=otester] [quote user=Cyril]It aint that the rich aint taxed enough, it is that they are hording all the wealth. they are not reinvesting the money into their own employees, improving working conditions, increasing wages, doing philanthropy work. they just reinvest it to their own greedy selfish means instead of using the money to improve the situation.
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It's none of your business what they do with their wealth.
How about less time gorping at how rich they are and start working on your own scheme to get up the ladder?
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I think you're wrong there. It is your business when it affects the community you live in. It's less about "gorping" about the rich, and more about seeing how things could be better.
It aint that the rich aint taxed enough, it is that they are hording all the wealth. they are not reinvesting the money into their own employees, improving working conditions, increasing wages, doing philanthropy work. they just reinvest it to their own greedy selfish means instead of using the money to improve the situation.
This.
There was a time when owners of big companies did act like that, and they were still very successful. In this area it was George F Johnson (EJ Shoe Factory) and later on, Thomas Watson (IBM). Unfortunately, when they were gone, their successors decided the money in their pockets was more important than the communities that helped build them up and now these companies are gone.
It's not something that can be enforced, and it shouldn't be. However, setting a good example can go a long way, and that's what I hope to accomplish someday with my company by following in their footsteps.
It's none of your business what they do with their wealth.
How about less time gorping at how rich they are and start working on your own scheme to get up the ladder?
I think you're wrong there. It is your business when it affects the community you live in. It's less about "gorping" about the rich, and more about seeing how things could be better.
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Make me ! We are the 99%. You are 1%.
Our gang mentality > your individual egoism, any day.
Make me ! We are the 99%. You are 1%.
Our gang mentality > your individual egoism, any day.
Depends if you believe people are individuals or slaves.
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No it just depends if you live in the UK or not. Do you live in the UK? Ok then, then you have to pay taxes to the government. End of discussion.
Depends if you believe people are individuals or slaves.
No it just depends if you live in the UK or not. Do you live in the UK? Ok then, then you have to pay taxes to the government. End of discussion.
"From 1 January 2004, all new applicants for British citizenship by naturalisation or registration aged 18 or over if their application is successful must attend a citizenship ceremony and either make an affirmation or take an oath of allegiance to the monarch, and also make a pledge to the United Kingdom...
....For those who applied for British citizenship before 2004:
Did you take an oath of allegiance to the monarch and a pledge to the United Kingdom ?
"From 1 January 2004, all new applicants for British citizenship by naturalisation or registration aged 18 or over if their application is successful must attend a citizenship ceremony and either make an affirmation or take an oath of allegiance to the monarch, and also make a pledge to the United Kingdom...
....For those who applied for British citizenship before 2004:
Did you take an oath of allegiance to the monarch and a pledge to the United Kingdom ?
[quote user=Matt2k35] [quote user=otester]Depends if you believe people are individuals or slaves. [/quote]
No it just depends if you live in the UK or not. Do you live in the UK? Ok then, then you have to pay taxes to the government. End of discussion.
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This is a debate about what should/shouldn't be, not what is.
No it just depends if you live in the UK or not. Do you live in the UK? Ok then, then you have to pay taxes to the government. End of discussion.
This is a debate about what should/shouldn't be, not what is.
No, it's a group of people trying to explain society to a retard who just wants to go Rambo.
No, it's a group of people trying to explain society to a retard who just wants to go Rambo.
[quote user=Matt2k35]No it just depends if you live in the UK or not. Do you live in the UK? Ok then, then you have to pay taxes to the government. End of discussion. [/quote]
This is a debate about what should/shouldn't be, not what is.
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Yeah but you give EdRoberts style options.
"Are you a FUCKING FAGGOT or are guns cool?"
"Do you SUCK DICKS or is Bacon pretty nice?"
"Are you an INDIVIDUAL, or a slave?"
Basically, we live in the UK. We pay tax. It's not theft. Pretty clear cut who's going to win the debate when you look at countries that don't have taxation and all the likes and see how well they fare.
This is a debate about what should/shouldn't be, not what is.
Yeah but you give EdRoberts style options.
"Are you a FUCKING FAGGOT or are guns cool?"
"Do you SUCK DICKS or is Bacon pretty nice?"
"Are you an INDIVIDUAL, or a slave?"
Basically, we live in the UK. We pay tax. It's not theft. Pretty clear cut who's going to win the debate when you look at countries that don't have taxation and all the likes and see how well they fare.
Yeah but you give EdRoberts style options.
"Are you a FUCKING FAGGOT or are guns cool?"
"Do you SUCK DICKS or is Bacon pretty nice?"
"Are you an INDIVIDUAL, or a slave?"
Basically, we live in the UK. We pay tax. It's not theft. Pretty clear cut who's going to win the debate when you look at countries that don't have taxation and all the likes and see how well they fare.
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State of taxation isn't the only thing to judge a country by.
Yeah but you give EdRoberts style options.
"Are you a FUCKING FAGGOT or are guns cool?"
"Do you SUCK DICKS or is Bacon pretty nice?"
"Are you an INDIVIDUAL, or a slave?"
Basically, we live in the UK. We pay tax. It's not theft. Pretty clear cut who's going to win the debate when you look at countries that don't have taxation and all the likes and see how well they fare.
State of taxation isn't the only thing to judge a country by.
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This.
There was a time when owners of big companies did act like that, and they were still very successful. In this area it was George F Johnson (EJ Shoe Factory) and later on, Thomas Watson (IBM). Unfortunately, when they were gone, their successors decided the money in their pockets was more important than the communities that helped build them up and now these companies are gone.
It's not something that can be enforced, and it shouldn't be. However, setting a good example can go a long way, and that's what I hope to accomplish someday with my company by following in their footsteps.
[quote user=otester]How about less time gorping at how rich they are and start working on your own scheme to get up the ladder? [/quote]
I think you're wrong there. It is your business when it affects the community you live in. It's less about "gorping" about the rich, and more about seeing how things could be better.
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You have to understand why they are holding on to their money instead of dumping it back into the market like they were. I think they are thinking, "Why would I dump money into these financial markets when they have been performing so badly?" Jesus Christ, look at MF Global and what fucking Chase Bank just did. 2 Billion lost. So people are still panicking and saying I'll hold on to my money for now thank you. I personally would be getting into the market myself because there are quite a few deals going on out there........
Crucially, net new money data this year highlights an median inflow across all institutions of USD900 million for the financial year 2009. This represents a decline of -60% from last year’s data.
“The wealth management engine is still misfiring for many. On the one hand the asset management machine is working and this is shoring up numbers. While, for virtually all banks, in terms of attracting new business it has been a case of Net No Money. Significantly, our global HNW data shows there are strong signs of wealth creation even in these complex markets and yet new clients are still holding back from opening accounts with the industry,” said Sebastian Dovey, managing partner.
The psychology out there isn't exactly inviting for people to invest in the markets it seems. Plus you have governments around the world in upheaval. Semblances of certainty seem to be far and few between and transparency in the banking industry seems quite nil. Couple that with these wacky governments, some of which get up on a podium day after day saying how they want your head. To them, it doesn't sound like a game they would want to get into full monty........
As I have always said.....we need our clear, concise regulations back. i.e. Glass-Steagall as a start. That alone would have been at least one firewall against shit like Chase bank did......
This.
There was a time when owners of big companies did act like that, and they were still very successful. In this area it was George F Johnson (EJ Shoe Factory) and later on, Thomas Watson (IBM). Unfortunately, when they were gone, their successors decided the money in their pockets was more important than the communities that helped build them up and now these companies are gone.
It's not something that can be enforced, and it shouldn't be. However, setting a good example can go a long way, and that's what I hope to accomplish someday with my company by following in their footsteps.
I think you're wrong there. It is your business when it affects the community you live in. It's less about "gorping" about the rich, and more about seeing how things could be better.
You have to understand why they are holding on to their money instead of dumping it back into the market like they were. I think they are thinking, "Why would I dump money into these financial markets when they have been performing so badly?" Jesus Christ, look at MF Global and what fucking Chase Bank just did. 2 Billion lost. So people are still panicking and saying I'll hold on to my money for now thank you. I personally would be getting into the market myself because there are quite a few deals going on out there........
Crucially, net new money data this year highlights an median inflow across all institutions of USD900 million for the financial year 2009. This represents a decline of -60% from last year’s data.
“The wealth management engine is still misfiring for many. On the one hand the asset management machine is working and this is shoring up numbers. While, for virtually all banks, in terms of attracting new business it has been a case of Net No Money. Significantly, our global HNW data shows there are strong signs of wealth creation even in these complex markets and yet new clients are still holding back from opening accounts with the industry,” said Sebastian Dovey, managing partner.
The psychology out there isn't exactly inviting for people to invest in the markets it seems. Plus you have governments around the world in upheaval. Semblances of certainty seem to be far and few between and transparency in the banking industry seems quite nil. Couple that with these wacky governments, some of which get up on a podium day after day saying how they want your head. To them, it doesn't sound like a game they would want to get into full monty........
As I have always said.....we need our clear, concise regulations back. i.e. Glass-Steagall as a start. That alone would have been at least one firewall against shit like Chase bank did......
As far as the banks go, they can suck my ass. All the talking nobheads, back when I used to watch the news, were saying "the govt is giving the banks trillions of dollars to help small businesses get going". Five banks later I realized it was all bullshit. They had the money, but were only loaning to established businesses. Fortunately, we found a private investor who believed in us, and was even interested in my fucking business plan that none of the banks even bothered to read.
As far as the banks go, they can suck my ass. All the talking nobheads, back when I used to watch the news, were saying "the govt is giving the banks trillions of dollars to help small businesses get going". Five banks later I realized it was all bullshit. They had the money, but were only loaning to established businesses. Fortunately, we found a private investor who believed in us, and was even interested in my fucking business plan that none of the banks even bothered to read.
As far as the banks go, they can suck my ass. All the talking nobheads, back when I used to watch the news, were saying "the govt is giving the banks trillions of dollars to help small businesses get going". Five banks later I realized it was all bullshit. They had the money, but were only loaning to established businesses. Fortunately, we found a private investor who believed in us, and was even interested in my fucking business plan that none of the banks even bothered to read.
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Credit Union is also another alternative to banks.
As far as the banks go, they can suck my ass. All the talking nobheads, back when I used to watch the news, were saying "the govt is giving the banks trillions of dollars to help small businesses get going". Five banks later I realized it was all bullshit. They had the money, but were only loaning to established businesses. Fortunately, we found a private investor who believed in us, and was even interested in my fucking business plan that none of the banks even bothered to read.
Credit Union is also another alternative to banks.
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[quote user=mmateri] and eventually i wasn't buying you enough beer, so now you want more.....and i should be grateful? and not bitch?!? and if i don't, then i'm ruining the economy? what economy, your beer economy? ffs......for fucks motherfucking fucks tabernac goddamn fucking sakes fuck
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You're such a piece of shit. Just because you make what,10k/year? you insist on being a prick. If you would've just read people's comments instead of falling back in to your delusion of wealth, you would realise our point : GREED IN THE TOP OF CORPORATE CULTURE HAS THEM HOARDING BILLIONS OF DOLLARS TOGETHER. If you want to facilitate the downfall of society, go ahead and let greed take over. If you have any form of decency and respect towards the working man(rich or poor) you oppose these ultra-rich greedy cunts. This is not about people taking your 10k/year, this is about getting people that make hundreds of thousands of dollars per year while sitting on multi million dollar companies which are part of a billion dollar cartel/monopoly to FUCKING PAY THEIR SHARE TOWARDS SOCIETY. Not investing is the worst thing you can do if you sit on a big amt. of money.
Sucking the lifeblood out of the economy then calling other people leftist greedy lazy cunts is the standard these days. Why don't you stop for a second and think what you're supporting here Matt, because if this breed of greedy people had their way you wouldn't even be earning 10k/year. You'd probably be euthanized.
You're such a piece of shit. Just because you make what,10k/year? you insist on being a prick. If you would've just read people's comments instead of falling back in to your delusion of wealth, you would realise our point : GREED IN THE TOP OF CORPORATE CULTURE HAS THEM HOARDING BILLIONS OF DOLLARS TOGETHER. If you want to facilitate the downfall of society, go ahead and let greed take over. If you have any form of decency and respect towards the working man(rich or poor) you oppose these ultra-rich greedy cunts. This is not about people taking your 10k/year, this is about getting people that make hundreds of thousands of dollars per year while sitting on multi million dollar companies which are part of a billion dollar cartel/monopoly to FUCKING PAY THEIR SHARE TOWARDS SOCIETY. Not investing is the worst thing you can do if you sit on a big amt. of money.
Sucking the lifeblood out of the economy then calling other people leftist greedy lazy cunts is the standard these days. Why don't you stop for a second and think what you're supporting here Matt, because if this breed of greedy people had their way you wouldn't even be earning 10k/year. You'd probably be euthanized.
[quote user=mmateri]and eventually i wasn't buying you enough beer, so now you want more.....and i should be grateful? and not bitch?!? and if i don't, then i'm ruining the economy? what economy, your beer economy? ffs......for fucks motherfucking fucks tabernac goddamn fucking sakes fuck[/quote]
You're such a piece of shit. Just because you make what,10k/year? you insist on being a prick. If you would've just read people's comments instead of falling back in to your delusion of wealth, you would realise our point : GREED IN THE TOP OF CORPORATE CULTURE HAS THEM HOARDING BILLIONS OF DOLLARS TOGETHER. If you want to facilitate the downfall of society, go ahead and let greed take over. If you have any form of decency and respect towards the working man(rich or poor) you oppose these ultra-rich greedy cunts. This is not about people taking your 10k/year, this is about getting people that make hundreds of thousands of dollars per year while sitting on multi million dollar companies which are part of a billion dollar cartel/monopoly to FUCKING PAY THEIR SHARE TOWARDS SOCIETY. Not investing is the worst thing you can do if you sit on a big amt. of money.
Sucking the lifeblood out of the economy then calling other people leftist greedy lazy cunts is the standard these days. Why don't you stop for a second and think what you're supporting here Matt, because if this breed of greedy people had their way you wouldn't even be earning 10k/year. You'd probably be euthanized.
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You're not born in debt to anyone.
You're just jelly, plain and simple.
You're such a piece of shit. Just because you make what,10k/year? you insist on being a prick. If you would've just read people's comments instead of falling back in to your delusion of wealth, you would realise our point : GREED IN THE TOP OF CORPORATE CULTURE HAS THEM HOARDING BILLIONS OF DOLLARS TOGETHER. If you want to facilitate the downfall of society, go ahead and let greed take over. If you have any form of decency and respect towards the working man(rich or poor) you oppose these ultra-rich greedy cunts. This is not about people taking your 10k/year, this is about getting people that make hundreds of thousands of dollars per year while sitting on multi million dollar companies which are part of a billion dollar cartel/monopoly to FUCKING PAY THEIR SHARE TOWARDS SOCIETY. Not investing is the worst thing you can do if you sit on a big amt. of money.
Sucking the lifeblood out of the economy then calling other people leftist greedy lazy cunts is the standard these days. Why don't you stop for a second and think what you're supporting here Matt, because if this breed of greedy people had their way you wouldn't even be earning 10k/year. You'd probably be euthanized.
You're not born in debt to anyone.
You're just jelly, plain and simple.
You're not born in debt to anyone.
You're just jelly, plain and simple.
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fail trolltester
You're not born in debt to anyone.
You're just jelly, plain and simple.
fail trolltester
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You are a jaded cunt, whom hates the world and finds something to hate in the happiest of things. Get laid or something, smoke a nice bong and enjoy life.
You are a jaded cunt, whom hates the world and finds something to hate in the happiest of things. Get laid or something, smoke a nice bong and enjoy life.
You are a jaded cunt, whom hates the world and finds something to hate in the happiest of things. Get laid or something, smoke a nice bong and enjoy life.
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?? Wolffe got laid all of the sudden? What changed?
You are a jaded cunt, whom hates the world and finds something to hate in the happiest of things. Get laid or something, smoke a nice bong and enjoy life.
?? Wolffe got laid all of the sudden? What changed?
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oh, the irony.
oh, the irony.
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oh, the irony.
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oh, the jewery.
oh, the irony.
oh, the jewery.
oh, the jewery.
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oh, the jewery.
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(I got nothing)
(I got nothing)
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broke ass
broke ass
yeah, I was wondering about that.
yeah, I was wondering about that.
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I'm sure you think you're a bigshot but it's just a number bro.
I'm sure you think you're a bigshot but it's just a number bro.
I'm sure you think you're a bigshot but it's just a number bro.
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He lets the real rich people propaganda get to him so now he feels entitled enough to blame other people of the same.
Mmat ur a pathetic fatass wannabe ;) Ur not rich, nor are u in a position to speak about what we as society can do to exterminate a couple of money hungry individualist cunts.
I'm sure you think you're a bigshot but it's just a number bro.
He lets the real rich people propaganda get to him so now he feels entitled enough to blame other people of the same.
Mmat ur a pathetic fatass wannabe
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when you're done fracking alberta into tar pits it'll be back to the dole. enjoy.
when you're done fracking alberta into tar pits it'll be back to the dole. enjoy.
He lets the real rich people propaganda get to him so now he feels entitled enough to blame other people of the same.
Mmat ur a pathetic fatass wannabe ;) Ur not rich, nor are u in a position to speak about what we as society can do to exterminate a couple of money hungry individualist cunts.
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U can't even speall. Why should any1 lissen to u? The "REAL" rich people.......wh8ever that meens. Maybe when you grow the fuck up and at least have some fucking respect for your own language, people will take you a little more seriously. Seriously.......
He lets the real rich people propaganda get to him so now he feels entitled enough to blame other people of the same.
Mmat ur a pathetic fatass wannabe
U can't even speall. Why should any1 lissen to u? The "REAL" rich people.......wh8ever that meens. Maybe when you grow the fuck up and at least have some fucking respect for your own language, people will take you a little more seriously. Seriously.......
U can't even speall. Why should any1 lissen to u? The "REAL" rich people.......wh8ever that meens. Maybe when you grow the fuck up and at least have some fucking respect for your own language, people will take you a little more seriously. Seriously.......
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1 . not my own language
2 . im referring to older comments where i compare regular big earners to ultra-rich fatcats
3 . stop defending a salmon fucker
4 . i can spell as neatly as i want to
and last of all, i dont need your restecp
U can't even speall. Why should any1 lissen to u? The "REAL" rich people.......wh8ever that meens. Maybe when you grow the fuck up and at least have some fucking respect for your own language, people will take you a little more seriously. Seriously.......
1 . not my own language
2 . im referring to older comments where i compare regular big earners to ultra-rich fatcats
3 . stop defending a salmon fucker
4 . i can spell as neatly as i want to
and last of all, i dont need your restecp
U can't even speall. Why should any1 lissen to u? The "REAL" rich people.......wh8ever that meens. Maybe when you grow the fuck up and at least have some fucking respect for your own language, people will take you a little more seriously. Seriously.......
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He's a chav welfare queen, what ya expect? He so smatr.
U can't even speall. Why should any1 lissen to u? The "REAL" rich people.......wh8ever that meens. Maybe when you grow the fuck up and at least have some fucking respect for your own language, people will take you a little more seriously. Seriously.......
He's a chav welfare queen, what ya expect? He so smatr.
He's a chav welfare queen, what ya expect? He so smatr.
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weak, like your mental constructs involving global conspiracy
He's a chav welfare queen, what ya expect? He so smatr.
weak, like your mental constructs involving global conspiracy
1 . not my own language
2 . im referring to older comments where i compare regular big earners to ultra-rich fatcats
3 . stop defending a salmon fucker
4 . i can spell as neatly as i want to
and last of all, i dont need your restecp
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I was able to decipher, maybe, half of that. So you can spell, but you choose not to. Well, that settles it................
1 . not my own language
2 . im referring to older comments where i compare regular big earners to ultra-rich fatcats
3 . stop defending a salmon fucker
4 . i can spell as neatly as i want to
and last of all, i dont need your restecp
I was able to decipher, maybe, half of that. So you can spell, but you choose not to. Well, that settles it................
I was able to decipher, maybe, half of that. So you can spell, but you choose not to. Well, that settles it................
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same joke again? weak shit mate
I was able to decipher, maybe, half of that. So you can spell, but you choose not to. Well, that settles it................
same joke again? weak shit mate
I wish it was a joke. Sad fact of the matter is that you ARE a fucking retard.
I wish it was a joke. Sad fact of the matter is that you ARE a fucking retard.
I wish it was a joke. Sad fact of the matter is that you ARE a fucking retard.
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Don't worry mate, I still love you with all my heart.
I wish it was a joke. Sad fact of the matter is that you ARE a fucking retard.
Don't worry mate, I still love you with all my heart.
Don't worry mate, I still love you with all my heart.
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Don't worry mate, I still love you with all my heart.
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fuck rahm emmanuel
fuck rahm emmanuel
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Come here big guy!
Maybe you just don't get the sarcastic underpinnings of my pictographic political analogy........
[quote user=darkzevahc] [quote user=ShanusMaximus][quote user=fuckyoutan]Don't worry mate, I still love you with all my heart.[/quote]
fuck rahm emmanuel
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Free rahm emmanuel.......Free Him.......
Come here big guy!
Maybe you just don't get the sarcastic underpinnings of my pictographic political analogy........
fuck rahm emmanuel
Free rahm emmanuel.......Free Him.......
free him? no
free him? no
free him? no
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Boy, old Rahmbo seems to have chapped your ass Chavez. Sup with that? Not quite the mayor you thought he would be?
free him? no
Boy, old Rahmbo seems to have chapped your ass Chavez. Sup with that? Not quite the mayor you thought he would be?
Boy, old Rahmbo seems to have chapped your ass Chavez. Sup with that? Not quite the mayor you thought he would be?
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lols, I just don't like the stupid red light / speed cameras he's adding to the city. Thought its not unique to downtown, I got caught by one a few months ago in the west suburbs, cost me $100. Also, next week I'm going to have to chill in the suburbs since they are shutting down parts of the expressway for the Nato summit. Honestly, he's a douchebag, but a less corrupt one than the Daleys (father and son) who ruled Chicago for 40 plus years.
Boy, old Rahmbo seems to have chapped your ass Chavez. Sup with that? Not quite the mayor you thought he would be?
lols, I just don't like the stupid red light / speed cameras he's adding to the city. Thought its not unique to downtown, I got caught by one a few months ago in the west suburbs, cost me $100. Also, next week I'm going to have to chill in the suburbs since they are shutting down parts of the expressway for the Nato summit. Honestly, he's a douchebag, but a less corrupt one than the Daleys (father and son) who ruled Chicago for 40 plus years.
Come here big guy!
Maybe you just don't get the sarcastic underpinnings of my pictographic political analogy........
[quote user=darkzevahc]fuck rahm emmanuel[/quote]
Free rahm emmanuel.......Free Him.......
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Actually I'm just referencing how easy it is for even a greenhorn to bait you in
Come here big guy!
Maybe you just don't get the sarcastic underpinnings of my pictographic political analogy........
Free rahm emmanuel.......Free Him.......
Actually I'm just referencing how easy it is for even a greenhorn to bait you in