Why the fuck was it relevant to state several times that his partner was an ex-wife of an officer? Completely and utterly useless info. Beyond that, those cops really acted out line and each one of them who responded to and participated in the brutal attack should be fined, fired (forfeiting all benefits), and have their names and pictures posted in the local paper to shame them. Any officials or police higher ups who weren't there but willfully helped cover up or impede the trial and investigation should be given the same punishment.
Why the fuck was it relevant to state several times that his partner was an ex-wife of an officer? Completely and utterly useless info. Beyond that, those cops really acted out line and each one of them who responded to and participated in the brutal attack should be fined, fired (forfeiting all benefits), and have their names and pictures posted in the local paper to shame them. Any officials or police higher ups who weren't there but willfully helped cover up or impede the trial and investigation should be given the same punishment.
[quote user=Wolffe] Why the fuck was it relevant to state several times that his partner was an ex-wife of an officer? Completely and utterly useless info. Beyond that, those cops really acted out line and each one of them who responded to and participated in the brutal attack should be fined, fired (forfeiting all benefits), and have their names and pictures posted in the local paper to shame them. Any officials or police higher ups who weren't there but willfully helped cover up or impede the trial and investigation should be given the same punishment. [/quote]
How is that useless? It gives possible motive to explain why nearly all officers in the entire department arrived. As many as 19 were in the house at one time. I can't imagine how someone could see that detail as "useless".
Wolffe wrote:
Why the fuck was it relevant to state several times that his partner was an ex-wife of an officer? Completely and utterly useless info. Beyond that, those cops really acted out line and each one of them who responded to and participated in the brutal attack should be fined, fired (forfeiting all benefits), and have their names and pictures posted in the local paper to shame them. Any officials or police higher ups who weren't there but willfully helped cover up or impede the trial and investigation should be given the same punishment.
How is that useless? It gives possible motive to explain why nearly all officers in the entire department arrived. As many as 19 were in the house at one time. I can't imagine how someone could see that detail as "useless".
[quote user=InSOmnIaC] [quote user=Wolffe]. Beyond that, those cops really acted out line and each one of them who responded to and participated in the brutal attack should be fined, fired (forfeiting all benefits), and have their names and pictures posted in the local paper to shame them. Any officials or police higher ups who weren't there but willfully helped cover up or impede the trial and investigation should be given the same punishment.[/quote]
How is that useless? It gives possible motive to explain why nearly all officers in the entire department arrived. As many as 19 were in the house at one time. I can't imagine how someone could see that detail as "useless". [/quote]
It's Wolffe. All important information is useless to him and all the unimportant shit is high priority.
InSOmnIaC wrote:
Wolffe wrote:
. Beyond that, those cops really acted out line and each one of them who responded to and participated in the brutal attack should be fined, fired (forfeiting all benefits), and have their names and pictures posted in the local paper to shame them. Any officials or police higher ups who weren't there but willfully helped cover up or impede the trial and investigation should be given the same punishment.
How is that useless? It gives possible motive to explain why nearly all officers in the entire department arrived. As many as 19 were in the house at one time. I can't imagine how someone could see that detail as "useless".
It's Wolffe. All important information is useless to him and all the unimportant shit is high priority.
[quote user=InSOmnIaC] [quote user=Wolffe]. Beyond that, those cops really acted out line and each one of them who responded to and participated in the brutal attack should be fined, fired (forfeiting all benefits), and have their names and pictures posted in the local paper to shame them. Any officials or police higher ups who weren't there but willfully helped cover up or impede the trial and investigation should be given the same punishment.[/quote]
How is that useless? It gives possible motive to explain why nearly all officers in the entire department arrived. As many as 19 were in the house at one time. I can't imagine how someone could see that detail as "useless". [/quote]
I thought that too, but thought "Really? Almost the entire department would drive super fast for an ex wife of one of their officers?"
InSOmnIaC wrote:
Wolffe wrote:
. Beyond that, those cops really acted out line and each one of them who responded to and participated in the brutal attack should be fined, fired (forfeiting all benefits), and have their names and pictures posted in the local paper to shame them. Any officials or police higher ups who weren't there but willfully helped cover up or impede the trial and investigation should be given the same punishment.
How is that useless? It gives possible motive to explain why nearly all officers in the entire department arrived. As many as 19 were in the house at one time. I can't imagine how someone could see that detail as "useless".
I thought that too, but thought "Really? Almost the entire department would drive super fast for an ex wife of one of their officers?"
[quote user=Wolffe] [quote user=InSOmnIaC]How is that useless? It gives possible motive to explain why nearly all officers in the entire department arrived. As many as 19 were in the house at one time. I can't imagine how someone could see that detail as "useless".[/quote]
I thought that too, but thought "Really? Almost the entire department would drive super fast for an ex wife of one of their officers?" [/quote]
It could have been an amicable divorce. She could be the mother of his children. Or maybe she was always around at police functions liek picnics and such, so when they heard her name they all went over.
Wolffe wrote:
InSOmnIaC wrote:
How is that useless? It gives possible motive to explain why nearly all officers in the entire department arrived. As many as 19 were in the house at one time. I can't imagine how someone could see that detail as "useless".
I thought that too, but thought "Really? Almost the entire department would drive super fast for an ex wife of one of their officers?"
It could have been an amicable divorce. She could be the mother of his children. Or maybe she was always around at police functions liek picnics and such, so when they heard her name they all went over.
A strange incident. Very few details of the actual event are provided. I'd like to know why he was pulled out of the shower in the first place. That seems to be the biggest abuse on the officer(s) behalves... if the abuse of the female in question had reached an end, there was no need to pull him from the shower. If they wished to arrest him, and he was using the bathroom as evasion, clearly there was still an excess of force and man-power used against him.
I think the real problem here is the "fraternal" pack-mentality bullshit that exists in so many institutions under our Justice systems. Soldiers, cops, firefighters... they all use this "brotherhood" mentality to make their jobs psychologically bearable. Its easy to see that some situations will escalate quickly when there's a secondary social construct in play, especially one as primordial as "defending your family(in uniform)".
A strange incident. Very few details of the actual event are provided. I'd like to know why he was pulled out of the shower in the first place. That seems to be the biggest abuse on the officer(s) behalves... if the abuse of the female in question had reached an end, there was no need to pull him from the shower. If they wished to arrest him, and he was using the bathroom as evasion, clearly there was still an excess of force and man-power used against him.
I think the real problem here is the "fraternal" pack-mentality bullshit that exists in so many institutions under our Justice systems. Soldiers, cops, firefighters... they all use this "brotherhood" mentality to make their jobs psychologically bearable. Its easy to see that some situations will escalate quickly when there's a secondary social construct in play, especially one as primordial as "defending your family(in uniform)".
[quote user=InSOmnIaC] [quote user=Wolffe]I thought that too, but thought "Really? Almost the entire department would drive super fast for an ex wife of one of their officers?"[/quote]
It could have been an amicable divorce. She could be the mother of his children. Or maybe she was always around at police functions liek picnics and such, so when they heard her name they all went over. [/quote]
more like super jealous ex husband.
this is not what happens with an amicable ex husband.
[quote]
Despite the trauma of the injuries he received, his relationship with Lynne survived and the pair married five years ago.
[/quote]
who knew having 19 of your buddies trash your girls new boyfriend wouldn't win her heart over.
InSOmnIaC wrote:
Wolffe wrote:
I thought that too, but thought "Really? Almost the entire department would drive super fast for an ex wife of one of their officers?"
It could have been an amicable divorce. She could be the mother of his children. Or maybe she was always around at police functions liek picnics and such, so when they heard her name they all went over.
more like super jealous ex husband.
this is not what happens with an amicable ex husband.
wrote:
Despite the trauma of the injuries he received, his relationship with Lynne survived and the pair married five years ago.
who knew having 19 of your buddies trash your girls new boyfriend wouldn't win her heart over.
[quote user=jeuxstine] I think the real problem here is the "fraternal" pack-mentality bullshit that exists in so many institutions under our Justice systems. Soldiers, cops, firefighters... they all use this "brotherhood" mentality to make their jobs psychologically bearable. Its easy to see that some situations will escalate quickly when there's a secondary social construct in play, especially one as primordial as "defending your family(in uniform)". [/quote]
i have a few cop friends, they definitely have a frat house mentality. I dont think its necessarily a "problem." Its when cops band together and lie for each other thats bad.
jeuxstine wrote:
I think the real problem here is the "fraternal" pack-mentality bullshit that exists in so many institutions under our Justice systems. Soldiers, cops, firefighters... they all use this "brotherhood" mentality to make their jobs psychologically bearable. Its easy to see that some situations will escalate quickly when there's a secondary social construct in play, especially one as primordial as "defending your family(in uniform)".
i have a few cop friends, they definitely have a frat house mentality. I dont think its necessarily a "problem." Its when cops band together and lie for each other thats bad.
[quote user=darkzevahc] [quote user=InSOmnIaC]. She could be the mother of his children. Or maybe she was always around at police functions liek picnics and such, so when they heard her name they all went over. [/quote]
more like super jealous ex husband.
this is not what happens with an amicable ex husband.
[quote user=]
Despite the trauma of the injuries he received, his relationship with Lynne survived and the pair married five years ago.
[/quote]
who know having 19 of your buddies trash your girls new boyfriend wouldn't win her heart over.
[/quote]
Amicable with her I mean and therefor protective. But yes your explanation is definitely just as likely a possibility too.
darkzevahc wrote:
InSOmnIaC wrote:
. She could be the mother of his children. Or maybe she was always around at police functions liek picnics and such, so when they heard her name they all went over.
more like super jealous ex husband.
this is not what happens with an amicable ex husband.
wrote:
Despite the trauma of the injuries he received, his relationship with Lynne survived and the pair married five years ago.
who know having 19 of your buddies trash your girls new boyfriend wouldn't win her heart over.
Amicable with her I mean and therefor protective. But yes your explanation is definitely just as likely a possibility too.
[quote user=darkzevahc] [quote user=jeuxstine]I think the real problem here is the "fraternal" pack-mentality bullshit that exists in so many institutions under our Justice systems. Soldiers, cops, firefighters... they all use this "brotherhood" mentality to make their jobs psychologically bearable. Its easy to see that some situations will escalate quickly when there's a secondary social construct in play, especially one as primordial as "defending your family(in uniform)".[/quote]
i have a few cop friends, they definitely have a frat house mentality. I dont think its necessarily a "problem." Its when cops band together and lie for each other thats bad. [/quote]
But that was almost certainly the "problem" in this incident... I understand that the pattern of brotherhood in these careers serves a motivational purpose and has psychological benefit for the "brothers and sisters in uniform"... but how could one allow the fraternal relationships to exist purely positively, without some "filter" or "safeguard" in place to make sure things don't escalate, like they did in this instance?
darkzevahc wrote:
jeuxstine wrote:
I think the real problem here is the "fraternal" pack-mentality bullshit that exists in so many institutions under our Justice systems. Soldiers, cops, firefighters... they all use this "brotherhood" mentality to make their jobs psychologically bearable. Its easy to see that some situations will escalate quickly when there's a secondary social construct in play, especially one as primordial as "defending your family(in uniform)".
i have a few cop friends, they definitely have a frat house mentality. I dont think its necessarily a "problem." Its when cops band together and lie for each other thats bad.
But that was almost certainly the "problem" in this incident... I understand that the pattern of brotherhood in these careers serves a motivational purpose and has psychological benefit for the "brothers and sisters in uniform"... but how could one allow the fraternal relationships to exist purely positively, without some "filter" or "safeguard" in place to make sure things don't escalate, like they did in this instance?
[quote user=jeuxstine] [quote user=darkzevahc]i have a few cop friends, they definitely have a frat house mentality. I dont think its necessarily a "problem." Its when cops band together and lie for each other thats bad. [/quote]
But that was almost certainly the "problem" in this incident... I understand that the pattern of brotherhood in these careers serves a motivational purpose and has psychological benefit for the "brothers and sisters in uniform"... but how could one allow the fraternal relationships to exist purely positively, without some "filter" or "safeguard" in place to make sure things don't escalate, like they did in this instance? [/quote]
privatization.
though I'd rather that they get banned from being a police officer by the courts rather than a "suspension/vacation" from their precinct and an "internal investigation."
jeuxstine wrote:
darkzevahc wrote:
i have a few cop friends, they definitely have a frat house mentality. I dont think its necessarily a "problem." Its when cops band together and lie for each other thats bad.
But that was almost certainly the "problem" in this incident... I understand that the pattern of brotherhood in these careers serves a motivational purpose and has psychological benefit for the "brothers and sisters in uniform"... but how could one allow the fraternal relationships to exist purely positively, without some "filter" or "safeguard" in place to make sure things don't escalate, like they did in this instance?
privatization.
though I'd rather that they get banned from being a police officer by the courts rather than a "suspension/vacation" from their precinct and an "internal investigation."
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How is that useless? It gives possible motive to explain why nearly all officers in the entire department arrived. As many as 19 were in the house at one time. I can't imagine how someone could see that detail as "useless".
How is that useless? It gives possible motive to explain why nearly all officers in the entire department arrived. As many as 19 were in the house at one time. I can't imagine how someone could see that detail as "useless".
How is that useless? It gives possible motive to explain why nearly all officers in the entire department arrived. As many as 19 were in the house at one time. I can't imagine how someone could see that detail as "useless".
[/quote]
It's Wolffe. All important information is useless to him and all the unimportant shit is high priority.
How is that useless? It gives possible motive to explain why nearly all officers in the entire department arrived. As many as 19 were in the house at one time. I can't imagine how someone could see that detail as "useless".
It's Wolffe. All important information is useless to him and all the unimportant shit is high priority.
How is that useless? It gives possible motive to explain why nearly all officers in the entire department arrived. As many as 19 were in the house at one time. I can't imagine how someone could see that detail as "useless".
[/quote]
I thought that too, but thought "Really? Almost the entire department would drive super fast for an ex wife of one of their officers?"
How is that useless? It gives possible motive to explain why nearly all officers in the entire department arrived. As many as 19 were in the house at one time. I can't imagine how someone could see that detail as "useless".
I thought that too, but thought "Really? Almost the entire department would drive super fast for an ex wife of one of their officers?"
I thought that too, but thought "Really? Almost the entire department would drive super fast for an ex wife of one of their officers?"
[/quote]
It could have been an amicable divorce. She could be the mother of his children. Or maybe she was always around at police functions liek picnics and such, so when they heard her name they all went over.
I thought that too, but thought "Really? Almost the entire department would drive super fast for an ex wife of one of their officers?"
It could have been an amicable divorce. She could be the mother of his children. Or maybe she was always around at police functions liek picnics and such, so when they heard her name they all went over.
I think the real problem here is the "fraternal" pack-mentality bullshit that exists in so many institutions under our Justice systems. Soldiers, cops, firefighters... they all use this "brotherhood" mentality to make their jobs psychologically bearable. Its easy to see that some situations will escalate quickly when there's a secondary social construct in play, especially one as primordial as "defending your family(in uniform)".
I think the real problem here is the "fraternal" pack-mentality bullshit that exists in so many institutions under our Justice systems. Soldiers, cops, firefighters... they all use this "brotherhood" mentality to make their jobs psychologically bearable. Its easy to see that some situations will escalate quickly when there's a secondary social construct in play, especially one as primordial as "defending your family(in uniform)".
It could have been an amicable divorce. She could be the mother of his children. Or maybe she was always around at police functions liek picnics and such, so when they heard her name they all went over.
[/quote]
more like super jealous ex husband.
this is not what happens with an amicable ex husband.
[quote]
Despite the trauma of the injuries he received, his relationship with Lynne survived and the pair married five years ago.
[/quote]who knew having 19 of your buddies trash your girls new boyfriend wouldn't win her heart over.
It could have been an amicable divorce. She could be the mother of his children. Or maybe she was always around at police functions liek picnics and such, so when they heard her name they all went over.
more like super jealous ex husband.
this is not what happens with an amicable ex husband.
Despite the trauma of the injuries he received, his relationship with Lynne survived and the pair married five years ago.
who knew having 19 of your buddies trash your girls new boyfriend wouldn't win her heart over.
I think the real problem here is the "fraternal" pack-mentality bullshit that exists in so many institutions under our Justice systems. Soldiers, cops, firefighters... they all use this "brotherhood" mentality to make their jobs psychologically bearable. Its easy to see that some situations will escalate quickly when there's a secondary social construct in play, especially one as primordial as "defending your family(in uniform)".
[/quote]
i have a few cop friends, they definitely have a frat house mentality. I dont think its necessarily a "problem." Its when cops band together and lie for each other thats bad.
I think the real problem here is the "fraternal" pack-mentality bullshit that exists in so many institutions under our Justice systems. Soldiers, cops, firefighters... they all use this "brotherhood" mentality to make their jobs psychologically bearable. Its easy to see that some situations will escalate quickly when there's a secondary social construct in play, especially one as primordial as "defending your family(in uniform)".
i have a few cop friends, they definitely have a frat house mentality. I dont think its necessarily a "problem." Its when cops band together and lie for each other thats bad.
more like super jealous ex husband.
this is not what happens with an amicable ex husband.
[quote user=]
Despite the trauma of the injuries he received, his relationship with Lynne survived and the pair married five years ago.
[/quote]who know having 19 of your buddies trash your girls new boyfriend wouldn't win her heart over.
[/quote]
Amicable with her I mean and therefor protective. But yes your explanation is definitely just as likely a possibility too.
more like super jealous ex husband.
this is not what happens with an amicable ex husband.
Despite the trauma of the injuries he received, his relationship with Lynne survived and the pair married five years ago.
who know having 19 of your buddies trash your girls new boyfriend wouldn't win her heart over.
Amicable with her I mean and therefor protective. But yes your explanation is definitely just as likely a possibility too.
i have a few cop friends, they definitely have a frat house mentality. I dont think its necessarily a "problem." Its when cops band together and lie for each other thats bad.
[/quote]
But that was almost certainly the "problem" in this incident... I understand that the pattern of brotherhood in these careers serves a motivational purpose and has psychological benefit for the "brothers and sisters in uniform"... but how could one allow the fraternal relationships to exist purely positively, without some "filter" or "safeguard" in place to make sure things don't escalate, like they did in this instance?
i have a few cop friends, they definitely have a frat house mentality. I dont think its necessarily a "problem." Its when cops band together and lie for each other thats bad.
But that was almost certainly the "problem" in this incident... I understand that the pattern of brotherhood in these careers serves a motivational purpose and has psychological benefit for the "brothers and sisters in uniform"... but how could one allow the fraternal relationships to exist purely positively, without some "filter" or "safeguard" in place to make sure things don't escalate, like they did in this instance?
But that was almost certainly the "problem" in this incident... I understand that the pattern of brotherhood in these careers serves a motivational purpose and has psychological benefit for the "brothers and sisters in uniform"... but how could one allow the fraternal relationships to exist purely positively, without some "filter" or "safeguard" in place to make sure things don't escalate, like they did in this instance?
[/quote]
privatization.
though I'd rather that they get banned from being a police officer by the courts rather than a "suspension/vacation" from their precinct and an "internal investigation."
But that was almost certainly the "problem" in this incident... I understand that the pattern of brotherhood in these careers serves a motivational purpose and has psychological benefit for the "brothers and sisters in uniform"... but how could one allow the fraternal relationships to exist purely positively, without some "filter" or "safeguard" in place to make sure things don't escalate, like they did in this instance?
privatization.
though I'd rather that they get banned from being a police officer by the courts rather than a "suspension/vacation" from their precinct and an "internal investigation."