As Mexicans decry the Arizona immigration law and launch boycotts of Arizona, Amnesty International released a scathing new report urging Mexicans to look in the mirror.
im just gonna go on memory here but i remember a while back hearing how Mexico deports illegals from any of the central and south american countries, Aggressivley i might add and yet they think nothing of it when they are in america illegally, demanding free shit or to be included into shit. At least here, they can eventually become citizens but if i remember correctly you would have to spend around 10-20 years (law was recently changed so not sure because of the way its written) in mexico before gaining the ability to become a mexican national....
Now, it does suck for brown people because no white, black, or yellow person will be targeted, only mexicans and some indians. Its hard for a white person to understand how a brown American will feel because in no situation whatsoever will a white person EVER be targeted.
Youre safe, forever.
But all mexicans, especially those born here in America are now automatically undermined by this law(well in arizona). Dont get me wrong i kind of see its importance but as an American born brown skinned descendant, its kind of insulting to know that one day i might have to prove im from America, but before that, ill be treated with ill and derogatory manners until it is verified that im an american and all because my skin is brown.
fucking immigrants are bleeding this country dry with social welfare
you're an idiot, migrants work hard doing shit jobs that you don't wanna do. the government is bleeding your country dry. along with the fat lazy yanks. also don't forget they consume, and consuminig a great source of tax for "your country"
fucking immigrants are bleeding this country dry with social welfare
you're an idiot, migrants work hard doing shit jobs that you don't wanna do. the government is bleeding your country dry. along with the fat lazy yanks. also don't forget they consume, and consuminig a great source of tax for "your country"
Big is absolutely fucking right. Also SarMANMANMAN- Have you ever even gone down to the welfare line? I HAVE. Where I grew up the unemployment office was the same place as the welfare office. There's WAY more white people in line than Mexicans the many times I've gone.
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We really don't have to "round" anybody up. Just cut off the candy, start nailing company's for hiring these folks and they will leave on their own. Every place you are hired you have to fill out an citizenship form. I do you do everybody does. If you lie on that form not only are you held accountable but the business is held accountable. If you are sucked up into the system by being arrested you status will be discovered and you will get a ride on Adios Airways. Another thing we can do is TAX any money that leaves via Western Union to Mexico.
@Bigs
"also don't forget they consume, and consuminig a great source of tax for "your country""
They send FAR more home than they spend here. Therefore it is not circulated back into the economy. Which means it is not taxed through sales.
"The 20 million Mexicans in the United States generate a gross product that is slightly higher than the $600 billion generated by Mexicans in Mexico," Fox said, adding that his country has the ninth-largest economy in the world."
"Escobar said most remittances go to the rural, poorest areas of Mexico — regions representing the 17 percent of Mexicans who live below the "food poverty line," meaning they don't have enough to eat — so essentially they keep the subsistence cycle going instead of boosting the overall economy."
"migrants work hard doing shit jobs that you don't wanna do."
Not all migrants come here to work. Many come here to work the system. 1/3 of the federal prison system are illegal immigrants (not LEGAL). Mostly for gangbanging and drug dealing and they actually just let them out on the street when their term is over instead of sending them back. Also, with the economy and joblessness rising, I think you are going to see that reversed.
We need to enforce the borders and have a comprehensive guest worker program in which workers could opt to pursue citizenship LEGALLY. We need to have a truthful dialogue with Mexico and how they encourage illegal immigration to this country.
"But the decision last week to hand out the survival kits to prospective illegal immigrants tells us just how much help we can really expect. It also confirms, once again, the ugly truth behind the self-righteous gabble the Mexicans always serve up to Americans about immigration. The truth is that the Mexican government and ruling class, unable to provide a decent economy or government for their own citizens, welcome getting rid of them by encouraging them to leave. Indeed, so eager are the Mexican oligarchs to cleanse themselves of their own poor that they’re now willing to hand out survival kits to make sure they get out and stay out."
So let's be honest...Americans want a servant class and Mexicans want to shove their problems north without having to address it's own problems. If you have been to Mexico you will start to clearly see they run on an unspoken cast system. The shorter and browner you are, the poorer you are. (i.e. The Indios don't get SHIT)
"the government is bleeding your country dry."
You are very correct there Bigglesworth. I don't blame the Mexican people. I blame both the American and Mexican governments that are using and abusing the Mexican people for their own greedy wants.
All this Arizona law is requiring is the EXACT same law that the Feds expect you to do. Problem is the Feds don't give a shit, hence the State having to do it for them. The comparisons to Nazi Germany are not withstanding and typical knee jerk liberalism...
Every alien, eighteen years of age and over, shall at all times carry
with him and have in his personal possession any certificate of alien
registration or alien registration receipt card issued to him pursuant
to subsection (d) of this section. Any alien who fails to comply with
the provisions of this subsection shall be guilty of a misdemeanor and
shall upon conviction for each offense be fined not to exceed $100 or be
imprisoned not more than thirty days, or both.
frwebgate.access.gpo.gov/cgi-bin/usc.cgi
I wonder if a State can sue the Federal Government for refusing to enforce it's own laws?
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We really don't have to "round" anybody up. Just cut off the candy, start nailing company's for hiring these folks and they will leave on their own. Every place you are hired you have to fill out an citizenship form. I do you do everybody does. If you lie on that form not only are you held accountable but the business is held accountable. If you are sucked up into the system by being arrested you status will be discovered and you will get a ride on Adios Airways. Another thing we can do is TAX any money that leaves via Western Union to Mexico.
@Bigs
"also don't forget they consume, and consuminig a great source of tax for "your country""
They send FAR more home than they spend here. Therefore it is not circulated back into the economy. Which means it is not taxed through sales.
"The 20 million Mexicans in the United States generate a gross product that is slightly higher than the $600 billion generated by Mexicans in Mexico," Fox said, adding that his country has the ninth-largest economy in the world."
"Escobar said most remittances go to the rural, poorest areas of Mexico — regions representing the 17 percent of Mexicans who live below the "food poverty line," meaning they don't have enough to eat — so essentially they keep the subsistence cycle going instead of boosting the overall economy."
"migrants work hard doing shit jobs that you don't wanna do."
Not all migrants come here to work. Many come here to work the system. 1/3 of the federal prison system are illegal immigrants (not LEGAL). Mostly for gangbanging and drug dealing and they actually just let them out on the street when their term is over instead of sending them back. Also, with the economy and joblessness rising, I think you are going to see that reversed.
We need to enforce the borders and have a comprehensive guest worker program in which workers could opt to pursue citizenship LEGALLY. We need to have a truthful dialogue with Mexico and how they encourage illegal immigration to this country.
"But the decision last week to hand out the survival kits to prospective illegal immigrants tells us just how much help we can really expect. It also confirms, once again, the ugly truth behind the self-righteous gabble the Mexicans always serve up to Americans about immigration. The truth is that the Mexican government and ruling class, unable to provide a decent economy or government for their own citizens, welcome getting rid of them by encouraging them to leave. Indeed, so eager are the Mexican oligarchs to cleanse themselves of their own poor that they’re now willing to hand out survival kits to make sure they get out and stay out."
So let's be honest...Americans want a servant class and Mexicans want to shove their problems north without having to address it's own problems. If you have been to Mexico you will start to clearly see they run on an unspoken cast system. The shorter and browner you are, the poorer you are. (i.e. The Indios don't get SHIT)
"the government is bleeding your country dry."
You are very correct there Bigglesworth. I don't blame the Mexican people. I blame both the American and Mexican governments that are using and abusing the Mexican people for their own greedy wants.
All this Arizona law is requiring is the EXACT same law that the Feds expect you to do. Problem is the Feds don't give a shit, hence the State having to do it for them. The comparisons to Nazi Germany are not withstanding and typical knee jerk liberalism...
Every alien, eighteen years of age and over, shall at all times carry
with him and have in his personal possession any certificate of alien
registration or alien registration receipt card issued to him pursuant
to subsection (d) of this section. Any alien who fails to comply with
the provisions of this subsection shall be guilty of a misdemeanor and
shall upon conviction for each offense be fined not to exceed $100 or be
imprisoned not more than thirty days, or both.
frwebgate.access.gpo.gov/cgi-bin/usc.cgi
I wonder if a State can sue the Federal Government for refusing to enforce it's own laws?
They send FAR more home than they spend here. Therefore it is not circulated back into the economy. Which means it is not taxed through sales.
this is true, but if like you say that money never comes back into the us, then all those mexicans did was earn some paper. hard work for pieces of paper. not bad.
"ShanusMaximus" wrote:
"migrants work hard doing shit jobs that you don't wanna do."
Not all migrants come here to work. Many come here to work the system. 1/3 of the federal prison system are illegal immigrants (not LEGAL). Mostly for gangbanging and drug dealing and they actually just let them out on the street when their term is over instead of sending them back. Also, with the economy and joblessness rising, I think you are going to see that reversed.
We need to enforce the borders and have a comprehensive guest worker program in which workers could opt to pursue citizenship LEGALLY. We need to have a truthful dialogue with Mexico and how they encourage illegal immigration to this country.
seems to me that the cost of those 1/3 fedral prison pop could be removed if you opened the borders. people are coming in anyway, they want to work or sell drugs, either way they consume, so there's no loss, and theres' the bonus of you not paying to keep them locked up.
We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness. That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just Powers from the consent of the governed, — That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness.
seems to me you guys completely ignore this, especially if talking about a person from another country....
They send FAR more home than they spend here. Therefore it is not circulated back into the economy. Which means it is not taxed through sales.
this is true, but if like you say that money never comes back into the us, then all those mexicans did was earn some paper. hard work for pieces of paper. not bad.
ShanusMaximus wrote:
"migrants work hard doing shit jobs that you don't wanna do."
Not all migrants come here to work. Many come here to work the system. 1/3 of the federal prison system are illegal immigrants (not LEGAL). Mostly for gangbanging and drug dealing and they actually just let them out on the street when their term is over instead of sending them back. Also, with the economy and joblessness rising, I think you are going to see that reversed.
We need to enforce the borders and have a comprehensive guest worker program in which workers could opt to pursue citizenship LEGALLY. We need to have a truthful dialogue with Mexico and how they encourage illegal immigration to this country.
seems to me that the cost of those 1/3 fedral prison pop could be removed if you opened the borders. people are coming in anyway, they want to work or sell drugs, either way they consume, so there's no loss, and theres' the bonus of you not paying to keep them locked up.
We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness. That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just Powers from the consent of the governed, — That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness.
seems to me you guys completely ignore this, especially if talking about a person from another country....
I say we provide full amnesty to who is already here and not in prison, those people would be deported effective immediately. In order to qualify for amnesty you would have to present yourself for scrutiny of whatever benefits you may be getting from those country (welfare, food stamps, disability, etc.) and if we find any fraud, you are deported effective immediately. We would take our time to process the paperwork... anybody who commits a felony until their docs are complete is deported effective immediately.
To put it simply, it will be ten times harder to deport them all and quite frankly we don't know what we may be losing with a blanket solution. Give them a shot... and if they get even one strike, they're out. I don't think that's asking too much.
^ thats because you just rode in from cuba on a boat made out of a fishing net and a bunch of pop bottles
Actually the only people in my family who got here by boat were one uncle (and only because he was an impatient bastard) and a cousin from my dads side. Everybody else was lottery, Mariel or simply left Cuba when Castro took power to the next level.
Sorry fat ass, everyone in my family made it here legally and worked their fucking asses off as soon as they got here. Not a one is on stamps, disability or welfare. Hence:
"TheDarkDevice" wrote:
we don't know what we may be losing with a blanket solution.
More grandmother is 72 and still makes clothes every fucking day Monday to Sunday. She owns three properties, 4 vehicles and more credit than you'll probably ever see in a lifetime. Sorry pal, find someone else to bullshit. Us Cubans have worked our asses off.
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We really don't have to "round" anybody up. Just cut off the candy, start nailing company's for hiring these folks and they will leave on their own.
Gotta agree with Shanus on that one. We wouldn't have a problem if the companies didn't hire undocumented workers. Then maybe we won't have that "their taking all our jobs" argument anymore. Btw, there will be tons of openings for picking fruits & cleaning bathrooms... get 'em while they last folks!
All this Arizona law is requiring is the EXACT same law that the Feds expect you to do. Problem is the Feds don't give a shit, hence the State having to do it for them. The comparisons to Nazi Germany are not withstanding and typical knee jerk liberalism...
Every alien, eighteen years of age and over, shall at all times carry
with him and have in his personal possession any certificate of alien
registration or alien registration receipt card issued to him pursuant
to subsection (d) of this section. Any alien who fails to comply with
the provisions of this subsection shall be guilty of a misdemeanor and
shall upon conviction for each offense be fined not to exceed 0 or be
imprisoned not more than thirty days, or both.
frwebgate.access.gpo.gov/cgi-bin/usc.cgi
I wonder if a State can sue the Federal Government for refusing to enforce it's own laws?
And now you fucked it up.
Then why have the law at all? So the Fed. government can just pick and choose which laws it enforces, but the rest of us don't get to do that??? Look at the Marijuana deal, they sure don't seem to have a problem not ignoring that one. States pass laws aboot it and the cunts come in and say they will restrict funding or make the State pay somehow.
Arizona is not asking for anything more than any other fucking nation does for any other foreign person who has overstayed their welcome. It is hypocritical. I can guarantee you that if Bigs overstayed HIS visa in the U.S. and got stopped they would DEMAND his passport and Visa and if he had neither on them, he would be DEPORTED. Why? Because he is British. If he were Mexican should he get a pass? And if so why?
@Darks
"To put it simply, it will be ten times harder to deport them all and quite frankly we don't know what we may be losing with a blanket solution. Give them a shot... and if they get even one strike, they're out. I don't think that's asking too much."
Well we could say that EVERYONE (not just Mexicans) who have overstayed their Visa, if they even have one, that they can register for a work Visa. We need some sort of I.D. (Mexican I.D., passport, etc.), if you are a convicted felon, convicted drunk driver, convicted molester, if you are sick with a communicable disease (we will inoculate you), where you work and then we will know if you are using stolen I.D. Do that and see how many actually show up. If you have a strike on anyone of those....then we will arrange a trip home for you.
@Bigs
"seems to me that the cost of those 1/3 Federal prison pop could be removed if you opened the borders. people are coming in anyway..."
That makes no sense whatsoever. So...if we "open" the already "open" borders this is going to solve.......what? They are coming in because the Fed. Government refuses to enforce it's own laws. FACT.
"seems to me you guys completely ignore this, especially if talking about a person from another country...."
Fuck that man. I don't get that shit if I come to England and overstay MY welcome. Do I get to site MY Declaration of Independence in YOUR country? They would ship my ass out quick.
"That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just Powers from the consent of the governed,"
So we institute a government to enforce rules that have ALWAYS had the CONSENT of the GOVERNED. Which the government is ignoring. So let's go to the next part.....
"That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness."
By ignoring and not enforcing the Immigration Laws that were implemented by the CONSENT OF THE GOVERNED this Government has become destructive and it is clear that it effects EVERY LEGAL (and even illegal) citizens safety and happiness. So then it is the RIGHT OF THE PEOPLE to ALTER IT OR ABOLISH IT. (i.e. Arizona has to stand up to enforce the already implemented LAWS that the Fed. Gov. refuses to enforce)
Boo Fucking Hoo....do you fuckers think I want to show my I.D. when I get on a fucking plane even when I am travelling within the U.S.? Do you think I should have to, BY LAW, have my I.D. on me just to be in a pub? Do you think I really want to show my i.d. and/or passport at the Canadian border? Do you think I want to show a cop my I.D. when I get stopped? How about when I cash a check? I have to show my I.D. I also have to have it when I buy liquor or cigarettes at the store. I demand we put a stop to all these "gestapo" tactics then....
The US needs immigration to survive. The low population growth among the whites (1.8-2.2 children per couple), coupled with increased lifespans means that aged/retired population is expected to double over the next couple of decades. Your average age is growing too. Once 26 in 1950, to 34 in 2000 to 37 in 2020. The white people are simply living too long and having too many kids.
Your immigration is the balance to this. Immigrants live shorter lives and have more children. Mexican families have 3.2 - 3.6 children per couple. Regardless of the wealth and higher incomes that white people earn, your country still needs to produce and manufacture. The ethnic populations enable you to sustain a steady population growth, and the fact that they are poor and uneducated enables you to keep your industries alive through their cheaper labor.
Europe is trying to do this as well, but are kinda fucked. Their white people have even lower fertility than the US white people. (1.7 per couple i.e dying out) They are also bringing in immigrants to balance their ageing population. But while the majority christian US is getting catholic mexicans that recognise their position as a lower caste ethnic group, an also majority christian europe is getting arrogant muslims that wish to impose their culture on the euros. Consider yourself lucky guys. The mexicans are the biggest upperhand you have against Europe.
Thats what pisses me off about debates like this. We shouldn't be looking at how a country treats it's immigrants, we should be looking at how the immigrants treat their host country. Cause they're coming in anyway, whatever laws you enact. We should be talking about the effects they'll have on the continued prosperty and security of your nations, and base your laws upon cultural merit. Additionally, a high mexican population ensures leverage over the americas. It allows the US to control the latin countries even more.
You need the mexicans. Not because they clean your toilet, but because you guys are too wealthy, too long lived, and aren't making enough babies.
If you come to Houston and go to the asian supermarkets there are always Mexican (or hispanic) baggers, checkers, sorters, etc. They always keep to themselves and are pretty hardworking (trabajador). This has nothing to do with being illegal, just saying.
You guys need to fix your immigration system. After checking around and reading up on the subject, it would take me (a legal medical doctor immigrant who aced the licensing exams) 10-15 years while paying taxes before becoming a citizen. That is fucking retarded. Why should it take anything more than a decade is beyond me.
"To put it simply, it will be ten times harder to deport them all and quite frankly we don't know what we may be losing with a blanket solution. Give them a shot... and if they get even one strike, they're out. I don't think that's asking too much."
Well we could say that EVERYONE (not just Mexicans) who have overstayed their Visa, if they even have one, that they can register for a work Visa. We need some sort of I.D. (Mexican I.D., passport, etc.), if you are a convicted felon, convicted drunk driver, convicted molester, if you are sick with a communicable disease (we will inoculate you), where you work and then we will know if you are using stolen I.D. Do that and see how many actually show up. If you have a strike on anyone of those....then we will arrange a trip home for you.
Of course everyone! Why should it be just Mexicans? An illegal is an illegal is an illegal (I don't quite frankly care where they're from) and if we're going to give them the chance you bet your ass that everyone should have the same chance as well as the same opportunity to fuck up and get their ass sent home. Again, the way I see it is it would take forever to process that many docs ANYWAYS, so it would give them ample time to stay in our country and perhaps enroll in some sort of fair taxation system (since most illegals end up working under the table) while still being measured over time to see if they are criminals. If you knew the forms would be done in 2 months you could stay out of trouble, but not knowing when you would be processed and just sitting around here I think more criminals would take the risk and when they are caught... back home you go.
We have a population problem, there is no getting around that. However, some of these people already have homes, loans, cars and all sorts of shit... we must consider the backlash of these accounts being cancelled cause we deport them hurting us in the long run. The best part is, my proposal INTENTIONALLY takes forever so we could probably keep government cost to a minimum while still being able to tax them and monitor them accordingly.
You guys need to fix your immigration system. After checking around and reading up on the subject, it would take me (a legal medical doctor immigrant who aced the licensing exams) 10-15 years while paying taxes before becoming a citizen. That is fucking retarded. Why should it take anything more than a decade is beyond me.
You are not Mexican. Mexicans get preferential treatment above all other immigrant classes. You are also a professional and therefore should be put through the wringer. No sir, we don't need any doctors, scientists, engineers and techs. We need MORE unskilled, uneducated labor. <sarcasm> Tell you what Meds...travel to Mexico, pay a coyote to smuggle you over (alive hopefully) and scrub a toilet and you can stay as long as you want I guess. Make sense now??
Look at how the American government treat the Polish trying to come to this country. They stand in line IN THEIR OWN COUNTRY at the American Embassy just to get a visit Visa and they pay a hundred dollars, get treated like shit and then MAYBE they will get a chance. How in the hell is that fair? Why the fucking special deal for Mexicans? I also would like someone to tell me how letting people in who are here illegally is fair to ALLLLLLL the other people that paid the money, waited the time and even educated themselves for the citizenship test? A fucking waste of time I guess. Just let the entire world in without checking if they are a psycho, drug dealer, molester or sick with a communicable disease.
face it, open the borders, dissolve the state, the oppression ends.
Explain that one to me with a straight face please? Because I can't own property in Mexico. I can't overstay MY welcome in Mexico. I don't get "free" healthcare in Mexico. I can't sign up for welfare in Mexico. I can't vote in Mexico. Fuck this bullshit. Do you know that they have checkpoints in Mexico where the Federales stand their with ASSAULT RIFLES? And they shake down people whenever they feel like....just pay mordida, mordida, mordida. You have to understand this isn't like you are dealing with fucking Canada. Not that Canada would want an open border either.
face it, open the borders, dissolve the state, the oppression ends.
Explain that one to me with a straight face please? Because I can't own property in Mexico. I can't overstay MY welcome in Mexico. I don't get "free" healthcare in Mexico. I can't sign up for welfare in Mexico. I can't vote in Mexico. Fuck this bullshit. Do you know that they have checkpoints in Mexico where the Federales stand their with ASSAULT RIFLES? And they shake down people whenever they feel like....just pay mordida, mordida, mordida. You have to understand this isn't like you are dealing with fucking Canada. Not that Canada would want an open border either.
if mexico dissolved their state, then there would be no welfare to claim. anyway, property is theft.
There has to be a reason besides the lie of civil rights. They want to give immigrants civil rights my ass. It's probably to drive down min wage or destroy American sovereignty. Now if Europeans try to get in they ask them 20 questions and harass them. But mexicans get escorting in by police.
But hey maybe when America collapses the beaners will go back in hordes. I doubt their kids when they are grown up are going to like living here. Nah I take that back. They won't go back because Mexico will be much worse so they will probably go to Canada.
Make it a felony to hire anyone who is not an American citizen or who does not have a Green Card. Issue REAL ID cards.
I am tired of hearing the bullshit about, "Jobs no one else will do." With 10% unemployment that is complete crap... And, given the free market - 20 million citizens of foreign countries NOT competing for OUR jobs, would raise the wages of the jobs here!!!!!!!!!!
i have relatives that came here soley for social security. theyve never paid taxes, and now theyre getting to get more social security benefits than my father ever will. hes worked for nearly thirty years here and paid taxes up the ass for nothing but legal thievery.
Sorry, but I have to call Bullshit on your comment:
I believe that SS is calculated on how many quarters you've worked. Sooooo, your dad would receive a hefty amount (by SS standards) while someone who's "never paid taxes" would receive diddly shit...
i have relatives that came here soley for social security. theyve never paid taxes, and now theyre getting to get more social security benefits than my father ever will. hes worked for nearly thirty years here and paid taxes up the ass for nothing but legal thievery.
And get an avatar, only dirty hippy communists that show their lewd pics to children and small animals dont use avatars.
lmao ill get one but i swear my dad showed me his projected social security payouts and knows how much his sister and husband get and how much my moms mother gets. the relatives are all seniors
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Now, it does suck for brown people because no white, black, or yellow person will be targeted, only mexicans and some indians. Its hard for a white person to understand how a brown American will feel because in no situation whatsoever will a white person EVER be targeted.
Youre safe, forever.
But all mexicans, especially those born here in America are now automatically undermined by this law(well in arizona). Dont get me wrong i kind of see its importance but as an American born brown skinned descendant, its kind of insulting to know that one day i might have to prove im from America, but before that, ill be treated with ill and derogatory manners until it is verified that im an american and all because my skin is brown.
you're an idiot, migrants work hard doing shit jobs that you don't wanna do. the government is bleeding your country dry. along with the fat lazy yanks. also don't forget they consume, and consuminig a great source of tax for "your country"
you're an idiot, migrants work hard doing shit jobs that you don't wanna do. the government is bleeding your country dry. along with the fat lazy yanks. also don't forget they consume, and consuminig a great source of tax for "your country"
Big is absolutely fucking right. Also SarMANMANMAN- Have you ever even gone down to the welfare line? I HAVE. Where I grew up the unemployment office was the same place as the welfare office. There's WAY more white people in line than Mexicans the many times I've gone.
We really don't have to "round" anybody up. Just cut off the candy, start nailing company's for hiring these folks and they will leave on their own. Every place you are hired you have to fill out an citizenship form. I do you do everybody does. If you lie on that form not only are you held accountable but the business is held accountable. If you are sucked up into the system by being arrested you status will be discovered and you will get a ride on Adios Airways. Another thing we can do is TAX any money that leaves via Western Union to Mexico.
@Bigs
"also don't forget they consume, and consuminig a great source of tax for "your country""
They send FAR more home than they spend here. Therefore it is not circulated back into the economy. Which means it is not taxed through sales.
"The 20 million Mexicans in the United States generate a gross product that is slightly higher than the $600 billion generated by Mexicans in Mexico," Fox said, adding that his country has the ninth-largest economy in the world."
legacy.signonsandiego.com/news/mexico/20030924-2051-us-mexico.html
Here is something interesting also.
"Escobar said most remittances go to the rural, poorest areas of Mexico — regions representing the 17 percent of Mexicans who live below the "food poverty line," meaning they don't have enough to eat — so essentially they keep the subsistence cycle going instead of boosting the overall economy."
www.banderasnews.com/0703/edat-senttomexico.htm
"migrants work hard doing shit jobs that you don't wanna do."
Not all migrants come here to work. Many come here to work the system. 1/3 of the federal prison system are illegal immigrants (not LEGAL). Mostly for gangbanging and drug dealing and they actually just let them out on the street when their term is over instead of sending them back. Also, with the economy and joblessness rising, I think you are going to see that reversed.
We need to enforce the borders and have a comprehensive guest worker program in which workers could opt to pursue citizenship LEGALLY. We need to have a truthful dialogue with Mexico and how they encourage illegal immigration to this country.
"But the decision last week to hand out the survival kits to prospective illegal immigrants tells us just how much help we can really expect. It also confirms, once again, the ugly truth behind the self-righteous gabble the Mexicans always serve up to Americans about immigration. The truth is that the Mexican government and ruling class, unable to provide a decent economy or government for their own citizens, welcome getting rid of them by encouraging them to leave. Indeed, so eager are the Mexican oligarchs to cleanse themselves of their own poor that they’re now willing to hand out survival kits to make sure they get out and stay out."
vdare.com/francis/blood_on_border.htm
So let's be honest...Americans want a servant class and Mexicans want to shove their problems north without having to address it's own problems. If you have been to Mexico you will start to clearly see they run on an unspoken cast system. The shorter and browner you are, the poorer you are. (i.e. The Indios don't get SHIT)
"the government is bleeding your country dry."
You are very correct there Bigglesworth. I don't blame the Mexican people. I blame both the American and Mexican governments that are using and abusing the Mexican people for their own greedy wants.
Every alien, eighteen years of age and over, shall at all times carry
with him and have in his personal possession any certificate of alien
registration or alien registration receipt card issued to him pursuant
to subsection (d) of this section. Any alien who fails to comply with
the provisions of this subsection shall be guilty of a misdemeanor and
shall upon conviction for each offense be fined not to exceed $100 or be
imprisoned not more than thirty days, or both.
frwebgate.access.gpo.gov/cgi-bin/usc.cgi
I wonder if a State can sue the Federal Government for refusing to enforce it's own laws?
We really don't have to "round" anybody up. Just cut off the candy, start nailing company's for hiring these folks and they will leave on their own. Every place you are hired you have to fill out an citizenship form. I do you do everybody does. If you lie on that form not only are you held accountable but the business is held accountable. If you are sucked up into the system by being arrested you status will be discovered and you will get a ride on Adios Airways. Another thing we can do is TAX any money that leaves via Western Union to Mexico.
@Bigs
"also don't forget they consume, and consuminig a great source of tax for "your country""
They send FAR more home than they spend here. Therefore it is not circulated back into the economy. Which means it is not taxed through sales.
"The 20 million Mexicans in the United States generate a gross product that is slightly higher than the $600 billion generated by Mexicans in Mexico," Fox said, adding that his country has the ninth-largest economy in the world."
legacy.signonsandiego.com/news/mexico/20030924-2051-us-mexico.html
Here is something interesting also.
"Escobar said most remittances go to the rural, poorest areas of Mexico — regions representing the 17 percent of Mexicans who live below the "food poverty line," meaning they don't have enough to eat — so essentially they keep the subsistence cycle going instead of boosting the overall economy."
www.banderasnews.com/0703/edat-senttomexico.htm
"migrants work hard doing shit jobs that you don't wanna do."
Not all migrants come here to work. Many come here to work the system. 1/3 of the federal prison system are illegal immigrants (not LEGAL). Mostly for gangbanging and drug dealing and they actually just let them out on the street when their term is over instead of sending them back. Also, with the economy and joblessness rising, I think you are going to see that reversed.
We need to enforce the borders and have a comprehensive guest worker program in which workers could opt to pursue citizenship LEGALLY. We need to have a truthful dialogue with Mexico and how they encourage illegal immigration to this country.
"But the decision last week to hand out the survival kits to prospective illegal immigrants tells us just how much help we can really expect. It also confirms, once again, the ugly truth behind the self-righteous gabble the Mexicans always serve up to Americans about immigration. The truth is that the Mexican government and ruling class, unable to provide a decent economy or government for their own citizens, welcome getting rid of them by encouraging them to leave. Indeed, so eager are the Mexican oligarchs to cleanse themselves of their own poor that they’re now willing to hand out survival kits to make sure they get out and stay out."
vdare.com/francis/blood_on_border.htm
So let's be honest...Americans want a servant class and Mexicans want to shove their problems north without having to address it's own problems. If you have been to Mexico you will start to clearly see they run on an unspoken cast system. The shorter and browner you are, the poorer you are. (i.e. The Indios don't get SHIT)
"the government is bleeding your country dry."
You are very correct there Bigglesworth. I don't blame the Mexican people. I blame both the American and Mexican governments that are using and abusing the Mexican people for their own greedy wants.
You my friend are intelligent.
Every alien, eighteen years of age and over, shall at all times carry
with him and have in his personal possession any certificate of alien
registration or alien registration receipt card issued to him pursuant
to subsection (d) of this section. Any alien who fails to comply with
the provisions of this subsection shall be guilty of a misdemeanor and
shall upon conviction for each offense be fined not to exceed $100 or be
imprisoned not more than thirty days, or both.
frwebgate.access.gpo.gov/cgi-bin/usc.cgi
I wonder if a State can sue the Federal Government for refusing to enforce it's own laws?
And now you fucked it up.
thanks
TAN management
this is true, but if like you say that money never comes back into the us, then all those mexicans did was earn some paper. hard work for pieces of paper. not bad.
Not all migrants come here to work. Many come here to work the system. 1/3 of the federal prison system are illegal immigrants (not LEGAL). Mostly for gangbanging and drug dealing and they actually just let them out on the street when their term is over instead of sending them back. Also, with the economy and joblessness rising, I think you are going to see that reversed.
We need to enforce the borders and have a comprehensive guest worker program in which workers could opt to pursue citizenship LEGALLY. We need to have a truthful dialogue with Mexico and how they encourage illegal immigration to this country.
seems to me that the cost of those 1/3 fedral prison pop could be removed if you opened the borders. people are coming in anyway, they want to work or sell drugs, either way they consume, so there's no loss, and theres' the bonus of you not paying to keep them locked up.
We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness. That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just Powers from the consent of the governed, — That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness.
seems to me you guys completely ignore this, especially if talking about a person from another country....
this is true, but if like you say that money never comes back into the us, then all those mexicans did was earn some paper. hard work for pieces of paper. not bad.
Not all migrants come here to work. Many come here to work the system. 1/3 of the federal prison system are illegal immigrants (not LEGAL). Mostly for gangbanging and drug dealing and they actually just let them out on the street when their term is over instead of sending them back. Also, with the economy and joblessness rising, I think you are going to see that reversed.
We need to enforce the borders and have a comprehensive guest worker program in which workers could opt to pursue citizenship LEGALLY. We need to have a truthful dialogue with Mexico and how they encourage illegal immigration to this country.
seems to me that the cost of those 1/3 fedral prison pop could be removed if you opened the borders. people are coming in anyway, they want to work or sell drugs, either way they consume, so there's no loss, and theres' the bonus of you not paying to keep them locked up.
We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness. That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just Powers from the consent of the governed, — That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness.
seems to me you guys completely ignore this, especially if talking about a person from another country....
Epic Win.
To put it simply, it will be ten times harder to deport them all and quite frankly we don't know what we may be losing with a blanket solution. Give them a shot... and if they get even one strike, they're out. I don't think that's asking too much.
Actually the only people in my family who got here by boat were one uncle (and only because he was an impatient bastard) and a cousin from my dads side. Everybody else was lottery, Mariel or simply left Cuba when Castro took power to the next level.
Sorry fat ass, everyone in my family made it here legally and worked their fucking asses off as soon as they got here. Not a one is on stamps, disability or welfare. Hence:
we don't know what we may be losing with a blanket solution.
More grandmother is 72 and still makes clothes every fucking day Monday to Sunday. She owns three properties, 4 vehicles and more credit than you'll probably ever see in a lifetime. Sorry pal, find someone else to bullshit. Us Cubans have worked our asses off.
We really don't have to "round" anybody up. Just cut off the candy, start nailing company's for hiring these folks and they will leave on their own.
Gotta agree with Shanus on that one. We wouldn't have a problem if the companies didn't hire undocumented workers. Then maybe we won't have that "their taking all our jobs" argument anymore. Btw, there will be tons of openings for picking fruits & cleaning bathrooms... get 'em while they last folks!
Every alien, eighteen years of age and over, shall at all times carry
with him and have in his personal possession any certificate of alien
registration or alien registration receipt card issued to him pursuant
to subsection (d) of this section. Any alien who fails to comply with
the provisions of this subsection shall be guilty of a misdemeanor and
shall upon conviction for each offense be fined not to exceed 0 or be
imprisoned not more than thirty days, or both.
frwebgate.access.gpo.gov/cgi-bin/usc.cgi
I wonder if a State can sue the Federal Government for refusing to enforce it's own laws?
And now you fucked it up.
Then why have the law at all? So the Fed. government can just pick and choose which laws it enforces, but the rest of us don't get to do that??? Look at the Marijuana deal, they sure don't seem to have a problem not ignoring that one. States pass laws aboot it and the cunts come in and say they will restrict funding or make the State pay somehow.
Arizona is not asking for anything more than any other fucking nation does for any other foreign person who has overstayed their welcome. It is hypocritical. I can guarantee you that if Bigs overstayed HIS visa in the U.S. and got stopped they would DEMAND his passport and Visa and if he had neither on them, he would be DEPORTED. Why? Because he is British. If he were Mexican should he get a pass? And if so why?
@Darks
"To put it simply, it will be ten times harder to deport them all and quite frankly we don't know what we may be losing with a blanket solution. Give them a shot... and if they get even one strike, they're out. I don't think that's asking too much."
Well we could say that EVERYONE (not just Mexicans) who have overstayed their Visa, if they even have one, that they can register for a work Visa. We need some sort of I.D. (Mexican I.D., passport, etc.), if you are a convicted felon, convicted drunk driver, convicted molester, if you are sick with a communicable disease (we will inoculate you), where you work and then we will know if you are using stolen I.D. Do that and see how many actually show up. If you have a strike on anyone of those....then we will arrange a trip home for you.
@Bigs
"seems to me that the cost of those 1/3 Federal prison pop could be removed if you opened the borders. people are coming in anyway..."
That makes no sense whatsoever. So...if we "open" the already "open" borders this is going to solve.......what? They are coming in because the Fed. Government refuses to enforce it's own laws. FACT.
"seems to me you guys completely ignore this, especially if talking about a person from another country...."
Fuck that man. I don't get that shit if I come to England and overstay MY welcome. Do I get to site MY Declaration of Independence in YOUR country? They would ship my ass out quick.
"That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just Powers from the consent of the governed,"
So we institute a government to enforce rules that have ALWAYS had the CONSENT of the GOVERNED. Which the government is ignoring. So let's go to the next part.....
"That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness."
By ignoring and not enforcing the Immigration Laws that were implemented by the CONSENT OF THE GOVERNED this Government has become destructive and it is clear that it effects EVERY LEGAL (and even illegal) citizens safety and happiness. So then it is the RIGHT OF THE PEOPLE to ALTER IT OR ABOLISH IT. (i.e. Arizona has to stand up to enforce the already implemented LAWS that the Fed. Gov. refuses to enforce)
Boo Fucking Hoo....do you fuckers think I want to show my I.D. when I get on a fucking plane even when I am travelling within the U.S.? Do you think I should have to, BY LAW, have my I.D. on me just to be in a pub? Do you think I really want to show my i.d. and/or passport at the Canadian border? Do you think I want to show a cop my I.D. when I get stopped? How about when I cash a check? I have to show my I.D. I also have to have it when I buy liquor or cigarettes at the store. I demand we put a stop to all these "gestapo" tactics then....
http://www.urban.org/publications/900895.html
wiki - fertility rates
Your immigration is the balance to this. Immigrants live shorter lives and have more children. Mexican families have 3.2 - 3.6 children per couple. Regardless of the wealth and higher incomes that white people earn, your country still needs to produce and manufacture. The ethnic populations enable you to sustain a steady population growth, and the fact that they are poor and uneducated enables you to keep your industries alive through their cheaper labor.
Europe is trying to do this as well, but are kinda fucked. Their white people have even lower fertility than the US white people. (1.7 per couple i.e dying out) They are also bringing in immigrants to balance their ageing population. But while the majority christian US is getting catholic mexicans that recognise their position as a lower caste ethnic group, an also majority christian europe is getting arrogant muslims that wish to impose their culture on the euros. Consider yourself lucky guys. The mexicans are the biggest upperhand you have against Europe.
Thats what pisses me off about debates like this. We shouldn't be looking at how a country treats it's immigrants, we should be looking at how the immigrants treat their host country. Cause they're coming in anyway, whatever laws you enact. We should be talking about the effects they'll have on the continued prosperty and security of your nations, and base your laws upon cultural merit. Additionally, a high mexican population ensures leverage over the americas. It allows the US to control the latin countries even more.
You need the mexicans. Not because they clean your toilet, but because you guys are too wealthy, too long lived, and aren't making enough babies.
http://www.redorbit.com/news/science/144340/the_real_population_problem_too_few_working_too_many_retired/index.html
@Darks
"To put it simply, it will be ten times harder to deport them all and quite frankly we don't know what we may be losing with a blanket solution. Give them a shot... and if they get even one strike, they're out. I don't think that's asking too much."
Well we could say that EVERYONE (not just Mexicans) who have overstayed their Visa, if they even have one, that they can register for a work Visa. We need some sort of I.D. (Mexican I.D., passport, etc.), if you are a convicted felon, convicted drunk driver, convicted molester, if you are sick with a communicable disease (we will inoculate you), where you work and then we will know if you are using stolen I.D. Do that and see how many actually show up. If you have a strike on anyone of those....then we will arrange a trip home for you.
Of course everyone! Why should it be just Mexicans? An illegal is an illegal is an illegal (I don't quite frankly care where they're from) and if we're going to give them the chance you bet your ass that everyone should have the same chance as well as the same opportunity to fuck up and get their ass sent home. Again, the way I see it is it would take forever to process that many docs ANYWAYS, so it would give them ample time to stay in our country and perhaps enroll in some sort of fair taxation system (since most illegals end up working under the table) while still being measured over time to see if they are criminals. If you knew the forms would be done in 2 months you could stay out of trouble, but not knowing when you would be processed and just sitting around here I think more criminals would take the risk and when they are caught... back home you go.
We have a population problem, there is no getting around that. However, some of these people already have homes, loans, cars and all sorts of shit... we must consider the backlash of these accounts being cancelled cause we deport them hurting us in the long run. The best part is, my proposal INTENTIONALLY takes forever so we could probably keep government cost to a minimum while still being able to tax them and monitor them accordingly.
... I should run for office yo.
You are not Mexican. Mexicans get preferential treatment above all other immigrant classes. You are also a professional and therefore should be put through the wringer. No sir, we don't need any doctors, scientists, engineers and techs. We need MORE unskilled, uneducated labor. <sarcasm> Tell you what Meds...travel to Mexico, pay a coyote to smuggle you over (alive hopefully) and scrub a toilet and you can stay as long as you want I guess. Make sense now??
Look at how the American government treat the Polish trying to come to this country. They stand in line IN THEIR OWN COUNTRY at the American Embassy just to get a visit Visa and they pay a hundred dollars, get treated like shit and then MAYBE they will get a chance. How in the hell is that fair? Why the fucking special deal for Mexicans? I also would like someone to tell me how letting people in who are here illegally is fair to ALLLLLLL the other people that paid the money, waited the time and even educated themselves for the citizenship test? A fucking waste of time I guess. Just let the entire world in without checking if they are a psycho, drug dealer, molester or sick with a communicable disease.
Explain that one to me with a straight face please? Because I can't own property in Mexico. I can't overstay MY welcome in Mexico. I don't get "free" healthcare in Mexico. I can't sign up for welfare in Mexico. I can't vote in Mexico. Fuck this bullshit. Do you know that they have checkpoints in Mexico where the Federales stand their with ASSAULT RIFLES? And they shake down people whenever they feel like....just pay mordida, mordida, mordida. You have to understand this isn't like you are dealing with fucking Canada. Not that Canada would want an open border either.
Explain that one to me with a straight face please? Because I can't own property in Mexico. I can't overstay MY welcome in Mexico. I don't get "free" healthcare in Mexico. I can't sign up for welfare in Mexico. I can't vote in Mexico. Fuck this bullshit. Do you know that they have checkpoints in Mexico where the Federales stand their with ASSAULT RIFLES? And they shake down people whenever they feel like....just pay mordida, mordida, mordida. You have to understand this isn't like you are dealing with fucking Canada. Not that Canada would want an open border either.
if mexico dissolved their state, then there would be no welfare to claim. anyway, property is theft.
But hey maybe when America collapses the beaners will go back in hordes. I doubt their kids when they are grown up are going to like living here. Nah I take that back. They won't go back because Mexico will be much worse so they will probably go to Canada.
I am tired of hearing the bullshit about, "Jobs no one else will do." With 10% unemployment that is complete crap... And, given the free market - 20 million citizens of foreign countries NOT competing for OUR jobs, would raise the wages of the jobs here!!!!!!!!!!
Right on!
Sorry, but I have to call Bullshit on your comment:
I believe that SS is calculated on how many quarters you've worked. Sooooo, your dad would receive a hefty amount (by SS standards) while someone who's "never paid taxes" would receive diddly shit...
And get an avatar, only dirty hippy communists that show their lewd pics to children and small animals dont use avatars.