[quote user=InSOmnIaC] Truth? The settlers from Plymouth Rock were British. Not to mention IT WAS 400 YEARS AGO. [/quote]
That is exaclty the answer I was waitng for.
So because it was 400 years ago and benefits you somehow it is ok, and now you get to decide who can and can not enter? So the logic is supposed to be it was ok then, but it is not ok now? This logic in not sound at all.
InSOmnIaC wrote:
Truth? The settlers from Plymouth Rock were British. Not to mention IT WAS 400 YEARS AGO.
That is exaclty the answer I was waitng for.
So because it was 400 years ago and benefits you somehow it is ok, and now you get to decide who can and can not enter? So the logic is supposed to be it was ok then, but it is not ok now? This logic in not sound at all.
[quote user=InSOmnIaC] Truth? The settlers from Plymouth Rock were British. Not to mention IT WAS 400 YEARS AGO. [/quote] Yes, because then all of a sudden they all became American and not British. The British can be blamed for the rape of Plymouth Rock, because hey there was no 'murrica back then.
Seriously. They're may have come from Britain but if you look at it properly they were early Americans.
InSOmnIaC wrote:
Truth? The settlers from Plymouth Rock were British. Not to mention IT WAS 400 YEARS AGO.
Yes, because then all of a sudden they all became American and not British. The British can be blamed for the rape of Plymouth Rock, because hey there was no 'murrica back then.
Seriously. They're may have come from Britain but if you look at it properly they were early Americans.
I may not know my history all too well, but didn't the people who became the Native Americans travel to there a long time ago? I would imagine they were also illegal aliens invading the land that a bunch of animals were happily living in for some time... :P
I may not know my history all too well, but didn't the people who became the Native Americans travel to there a long time ago? I would imagine they were also illegal aliens invading the land that a bunch of animals were happily living in for some time...
[quote user=SaikyoMog] I may not know my history all too well, but didn't the people who became the Native Americans travel to there a long time ago? I would imagine they were also illegal aliens invading the land that a bunch of animals were happily living in for some time... :P [/quote]
Not if you're KKK/white power.
Then you believe in the Solutrean hypothesis which suggests the Basque crossed the Atlantic icesheet and populated the Americas before the indigineous native Americans.
SaikyoMog wrote:
I may not know my history all too well, but didn't the people who became the Native Americans travel to there a long time ago? I would imagine they were also illegal aliens invading the land that a bunch of animals were happily living in for some time...
Not if you're KKK/white power.
Then you believe in the Solutrean hypothesis which suggests the Basque crossed the Atlantic icesheet and populated the Americas before the indigineous native Americans.
[quote user=JayTopStix] [quote user=InSOmnIaC]Truth? The settlers from Plymouth Rock were British. Not to mention IT WAS 400 YEARS AGO.[/quote]
That is exaclty the answer I was waitng for.
So because it was 400 years ago and benefits you somehow it is ok, and now you get to decide who can and can not enter? So the logic is supposed to be it was ok then, but it is not ok now? This logic in not sound at all. [/quote]
Umm...yah. We can. As can every nation on Earth. You act as if we don't let immigrants in. Do we not have a right to be choosy? The US lets in more immigrants than ANY OTHER NATION ON EARTH. Over 20% of the world's immigration population is in the US. That's 15% more than any other country.Know how many are in Mexico? Less than .5%. Worry about your own country and fix shit there.
Truth? The settlers from Plymouth Rock were British. Not to mention IT WAS 400 YEARS AGO.
That is exaclty the answer I was waitng for.
So because it was 400 years ago and benefits you somehow it is ok, and now you get to decide who can and can not enter? So the logic is supposed to be it was ok then, but it is not ok now? This logic in not sound at all.
Umm...yah. We can. As can every nation on Earth. You act as if we don't let immigrants in. Do we not have a right to be choosy? The US lets in more immigrants than ANY OTHER NATION ON EARTH. Over 20% of the world's immigration population is in the US. That's 15% more than any other country.Know how many are in Mexico? Less than .5%. Worry about your own country and fix shit there.
[quote user=JayTopStix] [quote user=InSOmnIaC]Truth? The settlers from Plymouth Rock were British. Not to mention IT WAS 400 YEARS AGO.[/quote]
That is exaclty the answer I was waitng for.
So because it was 400 years ago and benefits you somehow it is ok, and now you get to decide who can and can not enter? So the logic is supposed to be it was ok then, but it is not ok now? This logic in not sound at all. [/quote]
Mexico has a far more stringent immigration policy than even the toughest in the U.S.................also you guys did the same shit. Now you speak the language and live the culture of the Spanish invader. Mayhaps we should adopt your country's policy? Or would that be......unfaaaaaaaair?
If we want to have an honest discussion aboot immigration, I would suggest Mexico and Mexicans stop being so hypocritical.............
JayTopStix wrote:
InSOmnIaC wrote:
Truth? The settlers from Plymouth Rock were British. Not to mention IT WAS 400 YEARS AGO.
That is exaclty the answer I was waitng for.
So because it was 400 years ago and benefits you somehow it is ok, and now you get to decide who can and can not enter? So the logic is supposed to be it was ok then, but it is not ok now? This logic in not sound at all.
Mexico has a far more stringent immigration policy than even the toughest in the U.S.................also you guys did the same shit. Now you speak the language and live the culture of the Spanish invader. Mayhaps we should adopt your country's policy? Or would that be......unfaaaaaaaair?
why do these conversations always get sidetracked with the "who was here first" and other bullshit. Nobody wants to enter another country illegally. If mexicans could feasibly enter the US to work legally and what not, they would, the problem is its next to impossible without connections or money. If you make solid coin in Mexico, chances are you will remain in Mexico. However, if you are born into poverty, or near poverty, its nearly impossible to get out of it. The US current poverty rate is reaching a new level of 49.1 million — or 16 percent with Mississippi at the bottom at 21.3% but compare that tomexico'soverall poverty rate of 44.2%, with one state, Chiapas at a terrible 76.7 % poverty level (thats about the level of a poor African country.) Yet Mexico's GDP is 13th in the world. So if you think theres a gulf between the rich and poor in America, in Mexico the rich and poor are continents apart. The best route for a lot of poor people there is to enter the US illegally and send money back to their relatives, so that they pay for education and better housing.
Its a two fold issue, fix the gap in mexico (it is socialist country after all) so that the poor have a path to the middle class and the US should create a system for foreigners to work and apply for residency that is functional and not a band-aid like the amnesty program and temp visas (like that stupid red card idea Gingrich had) so that they can actually apply for it and save up the money and not have to throw money at a "coyote."
why do these conversations always get sidetracked with the "who was here first" and other bullshit. Nobody wants to enter another country illegally. If mexicans could feasibly enter the US to work legally and what not, they would, the problem is its next to impossible without connections or money. If you make solid coin in Mexico, chances are you will remain in Mexico. However, if you are born into poverty, or near poverty, its nearly impossible to get out of it. The US current poverty rate is reaching a new level of 49.1 million — or 16 percent with Mississippi at the bottom at 21.3% but compare that tomexico'soverall poverty rate of 44.2%, with one state, Chiapas at a terrible 76.7 % poverty level (thats about the level of a poor African country.) Yet Mexico's GDP is 13th in the world. So if you think theres a gulf between the rich and poor in America, in Mexico the rich and poor are continents apart. The best route for a lot of poor people there is to enter the US illegally and send money back to their relatives, so that they pay for education and better housing.
Its a two fold issue, fix the gap in mexico (it is socialist country after all) so that the poor have a path to the middle class and the US should create a system for foreigners to work and apply for residency that is functional and not a band-aid like the amnesty program and temp visas (like that stupid red card idea Gingrich had) so that they can actually apply for it and save up the money and not have to throw money at a "coyote."
The U.S. simply needs to give out more work permits. Most of them do not want to be Americans, unlike what most of the Left thinks. They just want some fucking work that Americans WON'T do. Here in Washington, we had a shortage of workers to pick fruit. The orchards were offering up some damn good money to do this work...........they got almost ZERO legal Americans to take up the offer. Our immigration policy feeds the illegal labor market.......I don't think either the Corps or the politicians want this fixed. It's cheaper for them to pay these guys with no bennies or equal pay to a legal immigrant or citizen. Mexico doesn't want it really changed either because that money sent home is Mexico's second largest resource of foreign revenue. The illegal doesn't necissarily want it either. He/she would rather take the lower paid job sans taxes, than take the higher wage job on the up and up because they won't make as much as the under the table job after taxes. They do this because they are sending the money back and, go figure, want to send as much back as possible. Check this out.........
I mean FFS I had to fill out an I-9 immigration form to be hired at my family's business. What the hell is the point??? Anyway, I am just tired of fucking Mexico bitching and moaning when they do the same damn thing............the same thing but actually WORSE! We need to let more in legally and let them work and have an opportunity (if they want) to become American citizens and Mexico needs to do the same thing. Everybody could benefit if everything was out in the open and easier to access.
@Liths
LOL! Oh, Douglas........
The U.S. simply needs to give out more work permits. Most of them do not want to be Americans, unlike what most of the Left thinks. They just want some fucking work that Americans WON'T do. Here in Washington, we had a shortage of workers to pick fruit. The orchards were offering up some damn good money to do this work...........they got almost ZERO legal Americans to take up the offer. Our immigration policy feeds the illegal labor market.......I don't think either the Corps or the politicians want this fixed. It's cheaper for them to pay these guys with no bennies or equal pay to a legal immigrant or citizen. Mexico doesn't want it really changed either because that money sent home is Mexico's second largest resource of foreign revenue. The illegal doesn't necissarily want it either. He/she would rather take the lower paid job sans taxes, than take the higher wage job on the up and up because they won't make as much as the under the table job after taxes. They do this because they are sending the money back and, go figure, want to send as much back as possible. Check this out.........
I mean FFS I had to fill out an I-9 immigration form to be hired at my family's business. What the hell is the point??? Anyway, I am just tired of fucking Mexico bitching and moaning when they do the same damn thing............the same thing but actually WORSE! We need to let more in legally and let them work and have an opportunity (if they want) to become American citizens and Mexico needs to do the same thing. Everybody could benefit if everything was out in the open and easier to access.
@Shanus, WHOA dude why do you want to diverge attention to Mexico. I know Mexico treats immigrants like shit and I am of course not proud of that. You even went further with many explanations and my point was not even that. Forget Mexico and US, I am talking about rights all HUMANS should have like education, health, food etc.
I believe we are citizens of the world and every sinlge individual you be able to travel as they please and seek an opportunity wherever they see fit. If you go to Europe there are NO BORDERS really NO BORDERS. We as AMERICANS should have that mentality and customs and immigration should be a formality.
THE US is not for its citizens and neither is Mexico or any country. All culture, language, history and nature are an asset to any earth born individual. Worst part is, it USED to be like that, even US citizens used to think like that. The freaking Statue of Liberty has it FFS!
@Inso. My point exactly is that NO you do NOT get to be choosy. You do not get the right to build fences like we are in Zoo. I do not see any fence in Canada dude.
@Shanus, WHOA dude why do you want to diverge attention to Mexico. I know Mexico treats immigrants like shit and I am of course not proud of that. You even went further with many explanations and my point was not even that. Forget Mexico and US, I am talking about rights all HUMANS should have like education, health, food etc.
I believe we are citizens of the world and every sinlge individual you be able to travel as they please and seek an opportunity wherever they see fit. If you go to Europe there are NO BORDERS really NO BORDERS. We as AMERICANS should have that mentality and customs and immigration should be a formality.
THE US is not for its citizens and neither is Mexico or any country. All culture, language, history and nature are an asset to any earth born individual. Worst part is, it USED to be like that, even US citizens used to think like that. The freaking Statue of Liberty has it FFS!
@Inso. My point exactly is that NO you do NOT get to be choosy. You do not get the right to build fences like we are in Zoo. I do not see any fence in Canada dude.
@Inso. My point exactly is that NO you do NOT get to be choosy. You do not get the right to build fences like we are in Zoo. I do not see any fence in Canada dude.
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I think you're confused as to how things work. Our country. Our rules. STFU and stay out. Canadians don't cross illegally by the millions. We don't need a wall up there.
JayTopStix wrote:
@Inso. My point exactly is that NO you do NOT get to be choosy. You do not get the right to build fences like we are in Zoo. I do not see any fence in Canada dude.
I think you're confused as to how things work. Our country. Our rules. STFU and stay out. Canadians don't cross illegally by the millions. We don't need a wall up there.
^ First off You are far off from the principles of your "founding fathers". I guess being American, this should ring a bell.
Give me your tired, your poor, Your huddled masses, yearning to breath free, The wretched refuse of your teeming shore, Send these, the homeless, tempest tost to me, I lift my lamp beside the golden door.
Second, go where Texas? California? Arizona? etc, oh that''s right that was Mexico too and you took it by force but we can live with that, this time it was not 400 years ago but 200 so I guess it makes it ok too.
So you complain because Mexicans can not go into former Mexico? I find hard to believe, however 15 million Mexicans up there like you pointed out think differently. Also just because things work a certain way, does not mean they should still work that way. I hope for future generations where the Interwebs gets all the world in a sigle state of mind and people see beyond borders and nationalities. I may be a fool but someday it might happen.
^ First off You are far off from the principles of your "founding fathers". I guess being American, this should ring a bell.
Give me your tired, your poor, Your huddled masses, yearning to breath free, The wretched refuse of your teeming shore, Send these, the homeless, tempest tost to me, I lift my lamp beside the golden door.
Second, go where Texas? California? Arizona? etc, oh that''s right that was Mexico too and you took it by force but we can live with that, this time it was not 400 years ago but 200 so I guess it makes it ok too.
So you complain because Mexicans can not go into former Mexico? I find hard to believe, however 15 million Mexicans up there like you pointed out think differently. Also just because things work a certain way, does not mean they should still work that way. I hope for future generations where the Interwebs gets all the world in a sigle state of mind and people see beyond borders and nationalities. I may be a fool but someday it might happen.
[quote user=JayTopStix] ^ First off You are far off from the principles of your "founding fathers". I guess being American, this should ring a bell.
Give me your tired, your poor, Your huddled masses, yearning to breath free, The wretched refuse of your teeming shore, Send these, the homeless, tempest tost to me, I lift my lamp beside the golden door.
Second, go where Texas? California? Arizona? etc, oh that''s right that was Mexico too and you took it by force but we can live with that, this time it was not 400 years ago but 200 so I guess it makes it ok too.
So you complain because Mexicans can not go into former Mexico? I find hard to believe, however 15 million Mexicans up there like you pointed out think differently. Also just because things work a certain way, does not mean they should still work that way. I hope for future generations where the Interwebs gets all the world in a sigle state of mind and people see beyond borders and nationalities. I may be a fool but someday it might happen. [/quote]
Our founding fathers weren't talking about criminals entering our country ILLEGALLY. Why is it so god damned difficult for you to understand the glaring difference between a legal immigrant and an illegal immigrant? And it's a damned good thing we took that land because can you imagine how badly your countrymen would have fucked it up? I mean geezus look at Mexico now. One of the most corrupt and openly violent nations on Earth. Why do you think we need a wall?
JayTopStix wrote:
^ First off You are far off from the principles of your "founding fathers". I guess being American, this should ring a bell.
Give me your tired, your poor, Your huddled masses, yearning to breath free, The wretched refuse of your teeming shore, Send these, the homeless, tempest tost to me, I lift my lamp beside the golden door.
Second, go where Texas? California? Arizona? etc, oh that''s right that was Mexico too and you took it by force but we can live with that, this time it was not 400 years ago but 200 so I guess it makes it ok too.
So you complain because Mexicans can not go into former Mexico? I find hard to believe, however 15 million Mexicans up there like you pointed out think differently. Also just because things work a certain way, does not mean they should still work that way. I hope for future generations where the Interwebs gets all the world in a sigle state of mind and people see beyond borders and nationalities. I may be a fool but someday it might happen.
Our founding fathers weren't talking about criminals entering our country ILLEGALLY. Why is it so god damned difficult for you to understand the glaring difference between a legal immigrant and an illegal immigrant? And it's a damned good thing we took that land because can you imagine how badly your countrymen would have fucked it up? I mean geezus look at Mexico now. One of the most corrupt and openly violent nations on Earth. Why do you think we need a wall?
"@Shanus, WHOA dude why do you want to diverge attention to Mexico. I know Mexico treats immigrants like shit and I am of course not proud of that."
I do it because your government is one of the worst offenders, but cries the most aboot it.
"I believe we are citizens of the world and every sinlge individual you be able to travel as they please and seek an opportunity wherever they see fit. If you go to Europe there are NO BORDERS really NO BORDERS. We as AMERICANS should have that mentality and customs and immigration should be a formality."
You can believe that "citizen of the world" stuff all you want, but just because you believe in something does not make it so. You are not guaranteed any rights as a "world citizen". If you think about it...........if there were no borders, there would be no nations and therefore you would have no sovereignty and you would be under the yoke of some sort of global centralized government..............and they would not be very nice. Also, Europe does still have borders, they just opened them up for free travel. Which does not mean there are no borders. In fact, I think you will see more border enforcement on certain things as the Eurozone falls into the toilet.
"THE US is not for its citizens and neither is Mexico or any country. All culture, language, history and nature are an asset to any earth born individual. Worst part is, it USED to be like that, even US citizens used to think like that. The freaking Statue of Liberty has it FFS!"
A country that is not for it's own citizens is not a country at all. But I suppose you are right.................U.S. doesn't seem to give a shit aboot it's citizens and Mexico REALLY doesn't seem to fucking care.
@Jays
"@Shanus, WHOA dude why do you want to diverge attention to Mexico. I know Mexico treats immigrants like shit and I am of course not proud of that."
I do it because your government is one of the worst offenders, but cries the most aboot it.
"I believe we are citizens of the world and every sinlge individual you be able to travel as they please and seek an opportunity wherever they see fit. If you go to Europe there are NO BORDERS really NO BORDERS. We as AMERICANS should have that mentality and customs and immigration should be a formality."
You can believe that "citizen of the world" stuff all you want, but just because you believe in something does not make it so. You are not guaranteed any rights as a "world citizen". If you think about it...........if there were no borders, there would be no nations and therefore you would have no sovereignty and you would be under the yoke of some sort of global centralized government..............and they would not be very nice. Also, Europe does still have borders, they just opened them up for free travel. Which does not mean there are no borders. In fact, I think you will see more border enforcement on certain things as the Eurozone falls into the toilet.
"THE US is not for its citizens and neither is Mexico or any country. All culture, language, history and nature are an asset to any earth born individual. Worst part is, it USED to be like that, even US citizens used to think like that. The freaking Statue of Liberty has it FFS!"
A country that is not for it's own citizens is not a country at all. But I suppose you are right.................U.S. doesn't seem to give a shit aboot it's citizens and Mexico REALLY doesn't seem to fucking care.
[quote user=InSOmnIaC] [quote user=JayTopStix]So you complain because Mexicans can not go into former Mexico? I find hard to believe, however 15 million Mexicans up there like you pointed out think differently. Also just because things work a certain way, does not mean they should still work that way. I hope for future generations where the Interwebs gets all the world in a sigle state of mind and people see beyond borders and nationalities. I may be a fool but someday it might happen. [/quote]
Our founding fathers weren't talking about criminals entering our country ILLEGALLY. Why is it so god damned difficult for you to understand the glaring difference between a legal immigrant and an illegal immigrant? And it's a damned good thing we took that land because can you imagine how badly your countrymen would have fucked it up? I mean geezus look at Mexico now. One of the most corrupt and openly violent nations on Earth. Why do you think we need a wall? [/quote]
Why do you think they go in illegally in the first place? Because the system denies them the right to go in legally. It is a never ending loop. Also Mexico has his fair share of problems but is not the way you are shown in the media, it is NOT one of the most violent places on earth and is far from it. Your perception is very mistaken in that matter, it is such a great place for business that most US companies have business here or are even expanding and investing. Anyway I believe you are very indoctrinated will old bullshit propaganda. Mexico´s economy has never been better, and future is very bright ahead but that is not why we are here. I refuse to acknowledge the need of borders between countries and NO this is no hippie shit. I have seen it work in the EU where the only cunts who refuse to get in are you fellow Enlishmen too. Let us break established models and change things for once, stop your paranoia where everyone want to be in the US or take advantage of the US or destroy it.
InSOmnIaC wrote:
JayTopStix wrote:
So you complain because Mexicans can not go into former Mexico? I find hard to believe, however 15 million Mexicans up there like you pointed out think differently. Also just because things work a certain way, does not mean they should still work that way. I hope for future generations where the Interwebs gets all the world in a sigle state of mind and people see beyond borders and nationalities. I may be a fool but someday it might happen.
Our founding fathers weren't talking about criminals entering our country ILLEGALLY. Why is it so god damned difficult for you to understand the glaring difference between a legal immigrant and an illegal immigrant? And it's a damned good thing we took that land because can you imagine how badly your countrymen would have fucked it up? I mean geezus look at Mexico now. One of the most corrupt and openly violent nations on Earth. Why do you think we need a wall?
Why do you think they go in illegally in the first place? Because the system denies them the right to go in legally. It is a never ending loop. Also Mexico has his fair share of problems but is not the way you are shown in the media, it is NOT one of the most violent places on earth and is far from it. Your perception is very mistaken in that matter, it is such a great place for business that most US companies have business here or are even expanding and investing. Anyway I believe you are very indoctrinated will old bullshit propaganda. Mexico´s economy has never been better, and future is very bright ahead but that is not why we are here. I refuse to acknowledge the need of borders between countries and NO this is no hippie shit. I have seen it work in the EU where the only cunts who refuse to get in are you fellow Enlishmen too. Let us break established models and change things for once, stop your paranoia where everyone want to be in the US or take advantage of the US or destroy it.
"@Shanus, WHOA dude why do you want to diverge attention to Mexico. I know Mexico treats immigrants like shit and I am of course not proud of that."
I do it because your government is one of the worst offenders, but cries the most aboot it.
"I believe we are citizens of the world and every sinlge individual you be able to travel as they please and seek an opportunity wherever they see fit. If you go to Europe there are NO BORDERS really NO BORDERS. We as AMERICANS should have that mentality and customs and immigration should be a formality."
You can believe that "citizen of the world" stuff all you want, but just because you believe in something does not make it so. You are not guaranteed any rights as a "world citizen". If you think about it...........if there were no borders, there would be no nations and therefore you would have no sovereignty and you would be under the yoke of some sort of global centralized government..............and they would not be very nice. Also, Europe does still have borders, they just opened them up for free travel. Which does not mean there are no borders. In fact, I think you will see more border enforcement on certain things as the Eurozone falls into the toilet.
"THE US is not for its citizens and neither is Mexico or any country. All culture, language, history and nature are an asset to any earth born individual. Worst part is, it USED to be like that, even US citizens used to think like that. The freaking Statue of Liberty has it FFS!"
A country that is not for it's own citizens is not a country at all. But I suppose you are right.................U.S. doesn't seem to give a shit aboot it's citizens and Mexico REALLY doesn't seem to fucking care. [/quote]
I like to be that naive sometimes you know, where I have not to worry about my being Mexican (or any nationality) or living somewhere or speaking a certain language. I would like to go wherever I pleased and just live. Look at BIG he is doing it only because he has an English passport, everyone should be able to do the same. I of course do not speak of myself, I am well aware I could do so too but in the bigger picture most people can't and it is just plain unfair, as unfair as being born rich to being born in Africa. I have 4 siblings 2 live in the US, one in France and the other in Ireland we really appreciate the opportunity and feel blessed and everyone should have that same opportunity to be happy anywhere.
ShanusMaximus wrote:
@Jays
"@Shanus, WHOA dude why do you want to diverge attention to Mexico. I know Mexico treats immigrants like shit and I am of course not proud of that."
I do it because your government is one of the worst offenders, but cries the most aboot it.
"I believe we are citizens of the world and every sinlge individual you be able to travel as they please and seek an opportunity wherever they see fit. If you go to Europe there are NO BORDERS really NO BORDERS. We as AMERICANS should have that mentality and customs and immigration should be a formality."
You can believe that "citizen of the world" stuff all you want, but just because you believe in something does not make it so. You are not guaranteed any rights as a "world citizen". If you think about it...........if there were no borders, there would be no nations and therefore you would have no sovereignty and you would be under the yoke of some sort of global centralized government..............and they would not be very nice. Also, Europe does still have borders, they just opened them up for free travel. Which does not mean there are no borders. In fact, I think you will see more border enforcement on certain things as the Eurozone falls into the toilet.
"THE US is not for its citizens and neither is Mexico or any country. All culture, language, history and nature are an asset to any earth born individual. Worst part is, it USED to be like that, even US citizens used to think like that. The freaking Statue of Liberty has it FFS!"
A country that is not for it's own citizens is not a country at all. But I suppose you are right.................U.S. doesn't seem to give a shit aboot it's citizens and Mexico REALLY doesn't seem to fucking care.
I like to be that naive sometimes you know, where I have not to worry about my being Mexican (or any nationality) or living somewhere or speaking a certain language. I would like to go wherever I pleased and just live. Look at BIG he is doing it only because he has an English passport, everyone should be able to do the same. I of course do not speak of myself, I am well aware I could do so too but in the bigger picture most people can't and it is just plain unfair, as unfair as being born rich to being born in Africa. I have 4 siblings 2 live in the US, one in France and the other in Ireland we really appreciate the opportunity and feel blessed and everyone should have that same opportunity to be happy anywhere.
I didn't think there was such a thing as illegal immigration until the 20th century or so. Immigrants just signed in, received a quick physical and basic medical care, and usually received some basic essentials and took a job with one of the waiting employers. If you didn't want to do factory work, the Government gave you land and taught you how to efficiently grow crops. Everyone sent their kids to public schools - every US state was providing free education long before the rest of the world.
Since WW2, we've closed off a bit... but I actually think it is slowly going back to open borders across the globe.
As Capitalism and free markets has become the standard rule, it's become inescapable that the laws of free-markets apply to labor just as they do money. The free-market nations are usually the first to open their borders, while the Socialists have the toughest restrictions.
I think in time, we'll see less and less control over borders.
I didn't think there was such a thing as illegal immigration until the 20th century or so. Immigrants just signed in, received a quick physical and basic medical care, and usually received some basic essentials and took a job with one of the waiting employers. If you didn't want to do factory work, the Government gave you land and taught you how to efficiently grow crops. Everyone sent their kids to public schools - every US state was providing free education long before the rest of the world.
Since WW2, we've closed off a bit... but I actually think it is slowly going back to open borders across the globe.
As Capitalism and free markets has become the standard rule, it's become inescapable that the laws of free-markets apply to labor just as they do money. The free-market nations are usually the first to open their borders, while the Socialists have the toughest restrictions.
I think in time, we'll see less and less control over borders.
[quote user=JayTopStix] [quote user=ShanusMaximus]A country that is not for it's own citizens is not a country at all. But I suppose you are right.................U.S. doesn't seem to give a shit aboot it's citizens and Mexico REALLY doesn't seem to fucking care. [/quote]
I like to be that naive sometimes you know, where I have not to worry about my being Mexican (or any nationality) or living somewhere or speaking a certain language. I would like to go wherever I pleased and just live. Look at BIG he is doing it only because he has an English passport, everyone should be able to do the same. I of course do not speak of myself, I am well aware I could do so too but in the bigger picture most people can't and it is just plain unfair, as unfair as being born rich to being born in Africa. I have 4 siblings 2 live in the US, one in France and the other in Ireland we really appreciate the opportunity and feel blessed and everyone should have that same opportunity to be happy anywhere. [/quote]
I understand and it sounds great...............but how do you get everyone on board? You are going to have to worry about speaking a different language and I personally don't see that as unfair. That's just life, that's just people. The total open border policy also has it's downsides too...........but I think Mannings has it correct. It is just a matter of time.....let things happen naturally with free-markets.
[quote user=Observer] " look at Mexico now. One of the most corrupt and openly violent nations on Earth."
Couldn't we say that that is a result of the millions being made from illegal drug sales and usage inside the United States? [/quote]
We hunger for the drugs.....................this is why it should be legalized. Yes, get your bumps at Walgreens.
[quote user=EricManning] I didn't think there was such a thing as illegal immigration until the 20th century or so. Immigrants just signed in, received a quick physical and basic medical care, and usually received some basic essentials and took a job with one of the waiting employers. If you didn't want to do factory work, the Government gave you land and taught you how to efficiently grow crops. Everyone sent their kids to public schools - every US state was providing free education long before the rest of the world.
Since WW2, we've closed off a bit... but I actually think it is slowly going back to open borders across the globe.
As Capitalism and free markets has become the standard rule, it's become inescapable that the laws of free-markets apply to labor just as they do money. The free-market nations are usually the first to open their borders, while the Socialists have the toughest restrictions.
I think in time, we'll see less and less control over borders. [/quote]
That would be ideal.......
JayTopStix wrote:
ShanusMaximus wrote:
A country that is not for it's own citizens is not a country at all. But I suppose you are right.................U.S. doesn't seem to give a shit aboot it's citizens and Mexico REALLY doesn't seem to fucking care.
I like to be that naive sometimes you know, where I have not to worry about my being Mexican (or any nationality) or living somewhere or speaking a certain language. I would like to go wherever I pleased and just live. Look at BIG he is doing it only because he has an English passport, everyone should be able to do the same. I of course do not speak of myself, I am well aware I could do so too but in the bigger picture most people can't and it is just plain unfair, as unfair as being born rich to being born in Africa. I have 4 siblings 2 live in the US, one in France and the other in Ireland we really appreciate the opportunity and feel blessed and everyone should have that same opportunity to be happy anywhere.
I understand and it sounds great...............but how do you get everyone on board? You are going to have to worry about speaking a different language and I personally don't see that as unfair. That's just life, that's just people. The total open border policy also has it's downsides too...........but I think Mannings has it correct. It is just a matter of time.....let things happen naturally with free-markets.
Observer wrote:
" look at Mexico now. One of the most corrupt and openly violent nations on Earth."
Couldn't we say that that is a result of the millions being made from illegal drug sales and usage inside the United States?
We hunger for the drugs.....................this is why it should be legalized. Yes, get your bumps at Walgreens.
EricManning wrote:
I didn't think there was such a thing as illegal immigration until the 20th century or so. Immigrants just signed in, received a quick physical and basic medical care, and usually received some basic essentials and took a job with one of the waiting employers. If you didn't want to do factory work, the Government gave you land and taught you how to efficiently grow crops. Everyone sent their kids to public schools - every US state was providing free education long before the rest of the world.
Since WW2, we've closed off a bit... but I actually think it is slowly going back to open borders across the globe.
As Capitalism and free markets has become the standard rule, it's become inescapable that the laws of free-markets apply to labor just as they do money. The free-market nations are usually the first to open their borders, while the Socialists have the toughest restrictions.
I think in time, we'll see less and less control over borders.
[quote user=EricManning] I didn't think there was such a thing as illegal immigration until the 20th century or so. Immigrants just signed in, received a quick physical and basic medical care, and usually received some basic essentials and took a job with one of the waiting employers. If you didn't want to do factory work, the Government gave you land and taught you how to efficiently grow crops. Everyone sent their kids to public schools - every US state was providing free education long before the rest of the world.
Since WW2, we've closed off a bit... but I actually think it is slowly going back to open borders across the globe.
As Capitalism and free markets has become the standard rule, it's become inescapable that the laws of free-markets apply to labor just as they do money. The free-market nations are usually the first to open their borders, while the Socialists have the toughest restrictions.
I think in time, we'll see less and less control over borders. [/quote]
Sorry I disagree....The governments should have full control on who comes and who stays in a country. We don't need your criminals and your mentally ill just walking over the border and demanding rights of a full citizen. Most countries have immigrations policies in place to monitor and provide assistance to newcomers.
Labor is just one aspect of immigration. What about political and ideological interest that conflict with the new nation? Shouldn't a country have the right to expel those people? Or not allow them in the country altogether. Health issues are also a major concern. Some of you Hippies (Not you, Eric) seem to forget about the problems that keep us from being people of the world. Instead of picking up and moving to a better life, why don't to stay in your home countries and make it better there. Leaving your home country should be a choice not a necessity.
I don't understand why Mexicans are always the first people. Folks look at when it comes to illegal immigration. When a large portion of offenders come from European countries and others just decide to stay in the states long after their vistas have run out..
EricManning wrote:
I didn't think there was such a thing as illegal immigration until the 20th century or so. Immigrants just signed in, received a quick physical and basic medical care, and usually received some basic essentials and took a job with one of the waiting employers. If you didn't want to do factory work, the Government gave you land and taught you how to efficiently grow crops. Everyone sent their kids to public schools - every US state was providing free education long before the rest of the world.
Since WW2, we've closed off a bit... but I actually think it is slowly going back to open borders across the globe.
As Capitalism and free markets has become the standard rule, it's become inescapable that the laws of free-markets apply to labor just as they do money. The free-market nations are usually the first to open their borders, while the Socialists have the toughest restrictions.
I think in time, we'll see less and less control over borders.
Sorry I disagree....The governments should have full control on who comes and who stays in a country. We don't need your criminals and your mentally ill just walking over the border and demanding rights of a full citizen. Most countries have immigrations policies in place to monitor and provide assistance to newcomers.
Labor is just one aspect of immigration. What about political and ideological interest that conflict with the new nation? Shouldn't a country have the right to expel those people? Or not allow them in the country altogether. Health issues are also a major concern. Some of you Hippies (Not you, Eric) seem to forget about the problems that keep us from being people of the world. Instead of picking up and moving to a better life, why don't to stay in your home countries and make it better there. Leaving your home country should be a choice not a necessity.
I don't understand why Mexicans are always the first people. Folks look at when it comes to illegal immigration. When a large portion of offenders come from European countries and others just decide to stay in the states long after their vistas have run out..
The "Solutrean" migration that Dumb-Cunt (Tuoni) mentioned is intriguing. Mainly in that it is Soooo ironic; Europeans inhabiting the Americas, killed off by Indians, followed by the Europeans coming back thousands of years later & doing a number on the Indian savages... LULZ
It is a FACT, that all peoples have migrated, and displaced others.
The "Solutrean" migration that Dumb-Cunt (Tuoni) mentioned is intriguing. Mainly in that it is Soooo ironic; Europeans inhabiting the Americas, killed off by Indians, followed by the Europeans coming back thousands of years later & doing a number on the Indian savages... LULZ
It is a FACT, that all peoples have migrated, and displaced others.
[quote user=cadpig] We don't need your criminals and your mentally ill just walking over the border and demanding rights of a full citizen. [/quote]
I'm no world explorer or anything, but on my travels, I've noticed that every country has about the same proportion of criminals and the mentally ill. A completely open immigration policy wouldn't really alter this paradigm.
cadpig wrote:
We don't need your criminals and your mentally ill just walking over the border and demanding rights of a full citizen.
I'm no world explorer or anything, but on my travels, I've noticed that every country has about the same proportion of criminals and the mentally ill. A completely open immigration policy wouldn't really alter this paradigm.
[quote user=mac] [quote user=cadpig]We don't need your criminals and your mentally ill just walking over the border and demanding rights of a full citizen. [/quote]
I'm no world explorer or anything, but on my travels, I've realised that every country has about the same proportion of criminals and the mentally ill. a completely open immigration policy wouldn't really alter this paradigm, [/quote]
Dude, we have a major problem with Mexican Drug gangs fighting territorial wars on our side of the border and a president that refuses to do anything about it. Cuba cleaned out their prisons and mental institutions and shipped those folks over here. An open immigration policy is nothing more than an open invitation for some countries to ship their undesirable people some where else.
mac wrote:
cadpig wrote:
We don't need your criminals and your mentally ill just walking over the border and demanding rights of a full citizen.
I'm no world explorer or anything, but on my travels, I've realised that every country has about the same proportion of criminals and the mentally ill. a completely open immigration policy wouldn't really alter this paradigm,
Dude, we have a major problem with Mexican Drug gangs fighting territorial wars on our side of the border and a president that refuses to do anything about it. Cuba cleaned out their prisons and mental institutions and shipped those folks over here. An open immigration policy is nothing more than an open invitation for some countries to ship their undesirable people some where else.
[quote user=cadpig] [quote user=mac]I'm no world explorer or anything, but on my travels, I've realised that every country has about the same proportion of criminals and the mentally ill. a completely open immigration policy wouldn't really alter this paradigm, [/quote]
Dude, we have a major problem with Mexican Drug gangs fighting territorial wars on our side of the border and a president that refuses to do anything about it. Cuba cleaned out their prisons and mental institutions and shipped those folks over here. An open immigration policy is nothing more than an open invitation for some countries to ship their undesirable people some where else. [/quote]
well fuck. retaliate by shipping off your undesirables.. mabye in all the hugger mugger, some will die in transit.
cadpig wrote:
mac wrote:
I'm no world explorer or anything, but on my travels, I've realised that every country has about the same proportion of criminals and the mentally ill. a completely open immigration policy wouldn't really alter this paradigm,
Dude, we have a major problem with Mexican Drug gangs fighting territorial wars on our side of the border and a president that refuses to do anything about it. Cuba cleaned out their prisons and mental institutions and shipped those folks over here. An open immigration policy is nothing more than an open invitation for some countries to ship their undesirable people some where else.
well fuck. retaliate by shipping off your undesirables.. mabye in all the hugger mugger, some will die in transit.
[quote user=cadpig] [quote user=mac]I'm no world explorer or anything, but on my travels, I've realised that every country has about the same proportion of criminals and the mentally ill. a completely open immigration policy wouldn't really alter this paradigm, [/quote]
Dude, we have a major problem with Mexican Drug gangs fighting territorial wars on our side of the border and a president that refuses to do anything about it. Cuba cleaned out their prisons and mental institutions and shipped those folks over here. An open immigration policy is nothing more than an open invitation for some countries to ship their undesirable people some where else. [/quote]
You speak like EVERYONE wants to be in the US which is ridiculous. Just think about it, why go there if it is the hardest place to get into and there are MANY pleces better to go to. If you are middle eastern or African, it is a hell of a lot easier to get into Europe, whereas if you are Asian probably Australia or Canada is the better choice. The US is a big ass mix of countries but of course latinos and Mexicans will be the top numbers, distance is the first barrier.
cadpig wrote:
mac wrote:
I'm no world explorer or anything, but on my travels, I've realised that every country has about the same proportion of criminals and the mentally ill. a completely open immigration policy wouldn't really alter this paradigm,
Dude, we have a major problem with Mexican Drug gangs fighting territorial wars on our side of the border and a president that refuses to do anything about it. Cuba cleaned out their prisons and mental institutions and shipped those folks over here. An open immigration policy is nothing more than an open invitation for some countries to ship their undesirable people some where else.
You speak like EVERYONE wants to be in the US which is ridiculous. Just think about it, why go there if it is the hardest place to get into and there are MANY pleces better to go to. If you are middle eastern or African, it is a hell of a lot easier to get into Europe, whereas if you are Asian probably Australia or Canada is the better choice. The US is a big ass mix of countries but of course latinos and Mexicans will be the top numbers, distance is the first barrier.
[quote user=JayTopStix][quote user=cadpig]Dude, we have a major problem with Mexican Drug gangs fighting territorial wars on our side of the border and a president that refuses to do anything about it. Cuba cleaned out their prisons and mental institutions and shipped those folks over here. An open immigration policy is nothing more than an open invitation for some countries to ship their undesirable people some where else.[/quote]
You speak like EVERYONE wants to be in the US which is ridiculous. Just think about it, why go there if it is the hardest place to get into and there are MANY pleces better to go to. If you are middle eastern or African, it is a hell of a lot easier to get into Europe, whereas if you are Asian probably Australia or Canada is the better choice. The US is a big ass mix of countries but of course latinos and Mexicans will be the top numbers, distance is the first barrier. [/quote]
...No,No please don't misunderstand me.. Any country (not just america) that is foolish enough to adopt a policy of open and uncontrolled immigration will see their crime rate sky rocket, Their economy devastated and their culture unrecognizable. I have nothing against controlled and lawful immigration.
JayTopStix wrote:
cadpig wrote:
Dude, we have a major problem with Mexican Drug gangs fighting territorial wars on our side of the border and a president that refuses to do anything about it. Cuba cleaned out their prisons and mental institutions and shipped those folks over here. An open immigration policy is nothing more than an open invitation for some countries to ship their undesirable people some where else.
You speak like EVERYONE wants to be in the US which is ridiculous. Just think about it, why go there if it is the hardest place to get into and there are MANY pleces better to go to. If you are middle eastern or African, it is a hell of a lot easier to get into Europe, whereas if you are Asian probably Australia or Canada is the better choice. The US is a big ass mix of countries but of course latinos and Mexicans will be the top numbers, distance is the first barrier.
...No,No please don't misunderstand me.. Any country (not just america) that is foolish enough to adopt a policy of open and uncontrolled immigration will see their crime rate sky rocket, Their economy devastated and their culture unrecognizable. I have nothing against controlled and lawful immigration.
[quote user=cadpig] [quote user=JayTopStix][quote user=cadpig]Dude, we have a major problem with Mexican Drug gangs fighting territorial wars on our side of the border and a president that refuses to do anything about it. Cuba cleaned out their prisons and mental institutions and shipped those folks over here. An open immigration policy is nothing more than an open invitation for some countries to ship their undesirable people some where else.[/quote]
You speak like EVERYONE wants to be in the US which is ridiculous. Just think about it, why go there if it is the hardest place to get into and there are MANY pleces better to go to. If you are middle eastern or African, it is a hell of a lot easier to get into Europe, whereas if you are Asian probably Australia or Canada is the better choice. The US is a big ass mix of countries but of course latinos and Mexicans will be the top numbers, distance is the first barrier. [/quote]
...No,No please don't misunderstand me.. Any country (not just america) that is foolish enough to adopt a policy of open and uncontrolled immigration will see their crime rate sky rocket, Their economy devastated and their culture unrecognizable. I have nothing against controlled and lawful immigration.
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Problem is lawful migration today in the US = Only people with money can migrate.
cadpig wrote:
JayTopStix wrote:
cadpig wrote:
Dude, we have a major problem with Mexican Drug gangs fighting territorial wars on our side of the border and a president that refuses to do anything about it. Cuba cleaned out their prisons and mental institutions and shipped those folks over here. An open immigration policy is nothing more than an open invitation for some countries to ship their undesirable people some where else.
You speak like EVERYONE wants to be in the US which is ridiculous. Just think about it, why go there if it is the hardest place to get into and there are MANY pleces better to go to. If you are middle eastern or African, it is a hell of a lot easier to get into Europe, whereas if you are Asian probably Australia or Canada is the better choice. The US is a big ass mix of countries but of course latinos and Mexicans will be the top numbers, distance is the first barrier.
...No,No please don't misunderstand me.. Any country (not just america) that is foolish enough to adopt a policy of open and uncontrolled immigration will see their crime rate sky rocket, Their economy devastated and their culture unrecognizable. I have nothing against controlled and lawful immigration.
Problem is lawful migration today in the US = Only people with money can migrate.
[quote user=JayTopStix] [quote user=cadpig][quote user=JayTopStix][quote user=cadpig]Dude, we have a major problem with Mexican Drug gangs fighting territorial wars on our side of the border and a president that refuses to do anything about it. Cuba cleaned out their prisons and mental institutions and shipped those folks over here. An open immigration policy is nothing more than an open invitation for some countries to ship their undesirable people some where else.[/quote]
You speak like EVERYONE wants to be in the US which is ridiculous. Just think about it, why go there if it is the hardest place to get into and there are MANY pleces better to go to. If you are middle eastern or African, it is a hell of a lot easier to get into Europe, whereas if you are Asian probably Australia or Canada is the better choice. The US is a big ass mix of countries but of course latinos and Mexicans will be the top numbers, distance is the first barrier. [/quote]
...No,No please don't misunderstand me.. Any country (not just america) that is foolish enough to adopt a policy of open and uncontrolled immigration will see their crime rate sky rocket, Their economy devastated and their culture unrecognizable. I have nothing against controlled and lawful immigration.
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Problem is lawful migration today in the US = Only people with money can migrate. [/quote]
Just because you assume that, doesn't make it true.
Dude, we have a major problem with Mexican Drug gangs fighting territorial wars on our side of the border and a president that refuses to do anything about it. Cuba cleaned out their prisons and mental institutions and shipped those folks over here. An open immigration policy is nothing more than an open invitation for some countries to ship their undesirable people some where else.
You speak like EVERYONE wants to be in the US which is ridiculous. Just think about it, why go there if it is the hardest place to get into and there are MANY pleces better to go to. If you are middle eastern or African, it is a hell of a lot easier to get into Europe, whereas if you are Asian probably Australia or Canada is the better choice. The US is a big ass mix of countries but of course latinos and Mexicans will be the top numbers, distance is the first barrier.
...No,No please don't misunderstand me.. Any country (not just america) that is foolish enough to adopt a policy of open and uncontrolled immigration will see their crime rate sky rocket, Their economy devastated and their culture unrecognizable. I have nothing against controlled and lawful immigration.
Problem is lawful migration today in the US = Only people with money can migrate.
Just because you assume that, doesn't make it true.
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That is exaclty the answer I was waitng for.
So because it was 400 years ago and benefits you somehow it is ok, and now you get to decide who can and can not enter? So the logic is supposed to be it was ok then, but it is not ok now? This logic in not sound at all.
That is exaclty the answer I was waitng for.
So because it was 400 years ago and benefits you somehow it is ok, and now you get to decide who can and can not enter? So the logic is supposed to be it was ok then, but it is not ok now? This logic in not sound at all.
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Yes, because then all of a sudden they all became American and not British. The British can be blamed for the rape of Plymouth Rock, because hey there was no 'murrica back then.
Seriously. They're may have come from Britain but if you look at it properly they were early Americans.
Yes, because then all of a sudden they all became American and not British. The British can be blamed for the rape of Plymouth Rock, because hey there was no 'murrica back then.
Seriously. They're may have come from Britain but if you look at it properly they were early Americans.
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Not if you're KKK/white power.
Then you believe in the Solutrean hypothesis which suggests the Basque crossed the Atlantic icesheet and populated the Americas before the indigineous native Americans.
Not if you're KKK/white power.
Then you believe in the Solutrean hypothesis which suggests the Basque crossed the Atlantic icesheet and populated the Americas before the indigineous native Americans.
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And the ones to prosper for the most part were the ones that grew thumbs... :P
And the ones to prosper for the most part were the ones that grew thumbs...
That is exaclty the answer I was waitng for.
So because it was 400 years ago and benefits you somehow it is ok, and now you get to decide who can and can not enter? So the logic is supposed to be it was ok then, but it is not ok now? This logic in not sound at all.
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Umm...yah. We can. As can every nation on Earth. You act as if we don't let immigrants in. Do we not have a right to be choosy? The US lets in more immigrants than ANY OTHER NATION ON EARTH. Over 20% of the world's immigration population is in the US. That's 15% more than any other country.Know how many are in Mexico? Less than .5%. Worry about your own country and fix shit there.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_foreign-born_population_in_2005
That is exaclty the answer I was waitng for.
So because it was 400 years ago and benefits you somehow it is ok, and now you get to decide who can and can not enter? So the logic is supposed to be it was ok then, but it is not ok now? This logic in not sound at all.
Umm...yah. We can. As can every nation on Earth. You act as if we don't let immigrants in. Do we not have a right to be choosy? The US lets in more immigrants than ANY OTHER NATION ON EARTH. Over 20% of the world's immigration population is in the US. That's 15% more than any other country.Know how many are in Mexico? Less than .5%. Worry about your own country and fix shit there.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_foreign-born_population_in_2005
That is exaclty the answer I was waitng for.
So because it was 400 years ago and benefits you somehow it is ok, and now you get to decide who can and can not enter? So the logic is supposed to be it was ok then, but it is not ok now? This logic in not sound at all.
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Mexico has a far more stringent immigration policy than even the toughest in the U.S.................also you guys did the same shit. Now you speak the language and live the culture of the Spanish invader. Mayhaps we should adopt your country's policy? Or would that be......unfaaaaaaaair?
This will assuredly come as welcome news to all those out-of-work Americans trying to sneak into Mexico for jobs. Unfortunately, language barrier aside, Calderon got it all wrong. Upon entering Mexico, immigrants must prove who they are, that they are mentally fit, and that they can contribute to Mexican society. If they do that, they sign their papers, are given a number, and are allowed to entry into the country. Failure to play by these rules carries a stiff penalty.
- An illegal immigrant who sneaks into the country, or fails to file his papers, will face fines, jail, deportation, or a combination of the three.
- An illegal immigrant who forges his documents, or falsifies them by lying when he fills them out, will face fines, jail, deportation, or a combination of the three.
- An illegal immigrant who takes a job faces fines, up to six years in prison, and deportation.
- All immigrants must provide proof of their legal status if the authorities demand it. Failure to do so will result, once more, in fines, jail, deportation, or a combination of the three.
You guys also seem to like walls. In the state of Chipas I do believe you have a wall to keep them dirty Guats out. Oh, why yes, yes you do.
According to the head of customs for Mexico's tax administration, Raúl Díaz, in order to stop boats carrying contraband, the southern Mexican state of Chiapas is building a wall along the border river Suchiate, similar to the one the United States is building along its southern border with Mexico.
"It could also prevent the free passage of illegal immigrants," admitted the Mexican official.
If we want to have an honest discussion aboot immigration, I would suggest Mexico and Mexicans stop being so hypocritical.............
That is exaclty the answer I was waitng for.
So because it was 400 years ago and benefits you somehow it is ok, and now you get to decide who can and can not enter? So the logic is supposed to be it was ok then, but it is not ok now? This logic in not sound at all.
Mexico has a far more stringent immigration policy than even the toughest in the U.S.................also you guys did the same shit. Now you speak the language and live the culture of the Spanish invader. Mayhaps we should adopt your country's policy? Or would that be......unfaaaaaaaair?
This will assuredly come as welcome news to all those out-of-work Americans trying to sneak into Mexico for jobs. Unfortunately, language barrier aside, Calderon got it all wrong. Upon entering Mexico, immigrants must prove who they are, that they are mentally fit, and that they can contribute to Mexican society. If they do that, they sign their papers, are given a number, and are allowed to entry into the country. Failure to play by these rules carries a stiff penalty.
- An illegal immigrant who sneaks into the country, or fails to file his papers, will face fines, jail, deportation, or a combination of the three.
- An illegal immigrant who forges his documents, or falsifies them by lying when he fills them out, will face fines, jail, deportation, or a combination of the three.
- An illegal immigrant who takes a job faces fines, up to six years in prison, and deportation.
- All immigrants must provide proof of their legal status if the authorities demand it. Failure to do so will result, once more, in fines, jail, deportation, or a combination of the three.
You guys also seem to like walls. In the state of Chipas I do believe you have a wall to keep them dirty Guats out. Oh, why yes, yes you do.
According to the head of customs for Mexico's tax administration, Raúl Díaz, in order to stop boats carrying contraband, the southern Mexican state of Chiapas is building a wall along the border river Suchiate, similar to the one the United States is building along its southern border with Mexico.
"It could also prevent the free passage of illegal immigrants," admitted the Mexican official.
If we want to have an honest discussion aboot immigration, I would suggest Mexico and Mexicans stop being so hypocritical.............
[video]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QVyRwWKCtKQ[/video]
Its a two fold issue, fix the gap in mexico (it is socialist country after all) so that the poor have a path to the middle class and the US should create a system for foreigners to work and apply for residency that is functional and not a band-aid like the amnesty program and temp visas (like that stupid red card idea Gingrich had) so that they can actually apply for it and save up the money and not have to throw money at a "coyote."
Its a two fold issue, fix the gap in mexico (it is socialist country after all) so that the poor have a path to the middle class and the US should create a system for foreigners to work and apply for residency that is functional and not a band-aid like the amnesty program and temp visas (like that stupid red card idea Gingrich had) so that they can actually apply for it and save up the money and not have to throw money at a "coyote."
LOL! Oh, Douglas........
The U.S. simply needs to give out more work permits. Most of them do not want to be Americans, unlike what most of the Left thinks. They just want some fucking work that Americans WON'T do. Here in Washington, we had a shortage of workers to pick fruit. The orchards were offering up some damn good money to do this work...........they got almost ZERO legal Americans to take up the offer. Our immigration policy feeds the illegal labor market.......I don't think either the Corps or the politicians want this fixed. It's cheaper for them to pay these guys with no bennies or equal pay to a legal immigrant or citizen. Mexico doesn't want it really changed either because that money sent home is Mexico's second largest resource of foreign revenue. The illegal doesn't necissarily want it either. He/she would rather take the lower paid job sans taxes, than take the higher wage job on the up and up because they won't make as much as the under the table job after taxes. They do this because they are sending the money back and, go figure, want to send as much back as possible. Check this out.........
It would be easier to "regulate the flow" if America made it easier for people to work here legally. State Department data show that a British Ph.D. in bioengineering must wait about six months to get a green card. A South African computer programmer, six years. An Indian computer programmer, 35 years.
A Mexican with a high school diploma must wait a theoretical 131 years! No wonder people sneak into America.
I mean FFS I had to fill out an I-9 immigration form to be hired at my family's business. What the hell is the point??? Anyway, I am just tired of fucking Mexico bitching and moaning when they do the same damn thing............the same thing but actually WORSE! We need to let more in legally and let them work and have an opportunity (if they want) to become American citizens and Mexico needs to do the same thing. Everybody could benefit if everything was out in the open and easier to access.
LOL! Oh, Douglas........
The U.S. simply needs to give out more work permits. Most of them do not want to be Americans, unlike what most of the Left thinks. They just want some fucking work that Americans WON'T do. Here in Washington, we had a shortage of workers to pick fruit. The orchards were offering up some damn good money to do this work...........they got almost ZERO legal Americans to take up the offer. Our immigration policy feeds the illegal labor market.......I don't think either the Corps or the politicians want this fixed. It's cheaper for them to pay these guys with no bennies or equal pay to a legal immigrant or citizen. Mexico doesn't want it really changed either because that money sent home is Mexico's second largest resource of foreign revenue. The illegal doesn't necissarily want it either. He/she would rather take the lower paid job sans taxes, than take the higher wage job on the up and up because they won't make as much as the under the table job after taxes. They do this because they are sending the money back and, go figure, want to send as much back as possible. Check this out.........
It would be easier to "regulate the flow" if America made it easier for people to work here legally. State Department data show that a British Ph.D. in bioengineering must wait about six months to get a green card. A South African computer programmer, six years. An Indian computer programmer, 35 years.
A Mexican with a high school diploma must wait a theoretical 131 years! No wonder people sneak into America.
I mean FFS I had to fill out an I-9 immigration form to be hired at my family's business. What the hell is the point??? Anyway, I am just tired of fucking Mexico bitching and moaning when they do the same damn thing............the same thing but actually WORSE! We need to let more in legally and let them work and have an opportunity (if they want) to become American citizens and Mexico needs to do the same thing. Everybody could benefit if everything was out in the open and easier to access.
Cause Alex's retardation will multiply Doug's funnies.
Cause Alex's retardation will multiply Doug's funnies.
I believe we are citizens of the world and every sinlge individual you be able to travel as they please and seek an opportunity wherever they see fit. If you go to Europe there are NO BORDERS really NO BORDERS. We as AMERICANS should have that mentality and customs and immigration should be a formality.
THE US is not for its citizens and neither is Mexico or any country. All culture, language, history and nature are an asset to any earth born individual. Worst part is, it USED to be like that, even US citizens used to think like that. The freaking Statue of Liberty has it FFS!
@Inso. My point exactly is that NO you do NOT get to be choosy. You do not get the right to build fences like we are in Zoo. I do not see any fence in Canada dude.
I believe we are citizens of the world and every sinlge individual you be able to travel as they please and seek an opportunity wherever they see fit. If you go to Europe there are NO BORDERS really NO BORDERS. We as AMERICANS should have that mentality and customs and immigration should be a formality.
THE US is not for its citizens and neither is Mexico or any country. All culture, language, history and nature are an asset to any earth born individual. Worst part is, it USED to be like that, even US citizens used to think like that. The freaking Statue of Liberty has it FFS!
@Inso. My point exactly is that NO you do NOT get to be choosy. You do not get the right to build fences like we are in Zoo. I do not see any fence in Canada dude.
@Inso. My point exactly is that NO you do NOT get to be choosy. You do not get the right to build fences like we are in Zoo. I do not see any fence in Canada dude.
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I think you're confused as to how things work. Our country. Our rules. STFU and stay out.
Canadians don't cross illegally by the millions. We don't need a wall up there.
@Inso. My point exactly is that NO you do NOT get to be choosy. You do not get the right to build fences like we are in Zoo. I do not see any fence in Canada dude.
I think you're confused as to how things work. Our country. Our rules. STFU and stay out.
Canadians don't cross illegally by the millions. We don't need a wall up there.
Give me your tired, your poor,
Your huddled masses, yearning to breath free,
The wretched refuse of your teeming shore,
Send these, the homeless, tempest tost to me,
I lift my lamp beside the golden door.
Second, go where Texas? California? Arizona? etc, oh that''s right that was Mexico too and you took it by force but we can live with that, this time it was not 400 years ago but 200 so I guess it makes it ok too.
So you complain because Mexicans can not go into former Mexico? I find hard to believe, however 15 million Mexicans up there like you pointed out think differently. Also just because things work a certain way, does not mean they should still work that way. I hope for future generations where the Interwebs gets all the world in a sigle state of mind and people see beyond borders and nationalities. I may be a fool but someday it might happen.
Give me your tired, your poor,
Your huddled masses, yearning to breath free,
The wretched refuse of your teeming shore,
Send these, the homeless, tempest tost to me,
I lift my lamp beside the golden door.
Second, go where Texas? California? Arizona? etc, oh that''s right that was Mexico too and you took it by force but we can live with that, this time it was not 400 years ago but 200 so I guess it makes it ok too.
So you complain because Mexicans can not go into former Mexico? I find hard to believe, however 15 million Mexicans up there like you pointed out think differently. Also just because things work a certain way, does not mean they should still work that way. I hope for future generations where the Interwebs gets all the world in a sigle state of mind and people see beyond borders and nationalities. I may be a fool but someday it might happen.
Give me your tired, your poor,
Your huddled masses, yearning to breath free,
The wretched refuse of your teeming shore,
Send these, the homeless, tempest tost to me,
I lift my lamp beside the golden door.
Second, go where Texas? California? Arizona? etc, oh that''s right that was Mexico too and you took it by force but we can live with that, this time it was not 400 years ago but 200 so I guess it makes it ok too.
So you complain because Mexicans can not go into former Mexico? I find hard to believe, however 15 million Mexicans up there like you pointed out think differently. Also just because things work a certain way, does not mean they should still work that way. I hope for future generations where the Interwebs gets all the world in a sigle state of mind and people see beyond borders and nationalities. I may be a fool but someday it might happen.
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Our founding fathers weren't talking about criminals entering our country ILLEGALLY. Why is it so god damned difficult for you to understand the glaring difference between a legal immigrant and an illegal immigrant? And it's a damned good thing we took that land because can you imagine how badly your countrymen would have fucked it up? I mean geezus look at Mexico now. One of the most corrupt and openly violent nations on Earth. Why do you think we need a wall?
Give me your tired, your poor,
Your huddled masses, yearning to breath free,
The wretched refuse of your teeming shore,
Send these, the homeless, tempest tost to me,
I lift my lamp beside the golden door.
Second, go where Texas? California? Arizona? etc, oh that''s right that was Mexico too and you took it by force but we can live with that, this time it was not 400 years ago but 200 so I guess it makes it ok too.
So you complain because Mexicans can not go into former Mexico? I find hard to believe, however 15 million Mexicans up there like you pointed out think differently. Also just because things work a certain way, does not mean they should still work that way. I hope for future generations where the Interwebs gets all the world in a sigle state of mind and people see beyond borders and nationalities. I may be a fool but someday it might happen.
Our founding fathers weren't talking about criminals entering our country ILLEGALLY. Why is it so god damned difficult for you to understand the glaring difference between a legal immigrant and an illegal immigrant? And it's a damned good thing we took that land because can you imagine how badly your countrymen would have fucked it up? I mean geezus look at Mexico now. One of the most corrupt and openly violent nations on Earth. Why do you think we need a wall?
"@Shanus, WHOA dude why do you want to diverge attention to Mexico. I know Mexico treats immigrants like shit and I am of course not proud of that."
I do it because your government is one of the worst offenders, but cries the most aboot it.
"I believe we are citizens of the world and every sinlge individual you be able to travel as they please and seek an opportunity wherever they see fit. If you go to Europe there are NO BORDERS really NO BORDERS. We as AMERICANS should have that mentality and customs and immigration should be a formality."
You can believe that "citizen of the world" stuff all you want, but just because you believe in something does not make it so. You are not guaranteed any rights as a "world citizen". If you think about it...........if there were no borders, there would be no nations and therefore you would have no sovereignty and you would be under the yoke of some sort of global centralized government..............and they would not be very nice. Also, Europe does still have borders, they just opened them up for free travel. Which does not mean there are no borders. In fact, I think you will see more border enforcement on certain things as the Eurozone falls into the toilet.
"THE US is not for its citizens and neither is Mexico or any country. All culture, language, history and nature are an asset to any earth born individual. Worst part is, it USED to be like that, even US citizens used to think like that. The freaking Statue of Liberty has it FFS!"
A country that is not for it's own citizens is not a country at all. But I suppose you are right.................U.S. doesn't seem to give a shit aboot it's citizens and Mexico REALLY doesn't seem to fucking care.
"@Shanus, WHOA dude why do you want to diverge attention to Mexico. I know Mexico treats immigrants like shit and I am of course not proud of that."
I do it because your government is one of the worst offenders, but cries the most aboot it.
"I believe we are citizens of the world and every sinlge individual you be able to travel as they please and seek an opportunity wherever they see fit. If you go to Europe there are NO BORDERS really NO BORDERS. We as AMERICANS should have that mentality and customs and immigration should be a formality."
You can believe that "citizen of the world" stuff all you want, but just because you believe in something does not make it so. You are not guaranteed any rights as a "world citizen". If you think about it...........if there were no borders, there would be no nations and therefore you would have no sovereignty and you would be under the yoke of some sort of global centralized government..............and they would not be very nice. Also, Europe does still have borders, they just opened them up for free travel. Which does not mean there are no borders. In fact, I think you will see more border enforcement on certain things as the Eurozone falls into the toilet.
"THE US is not for its citizens and neither is Mexico or any country. All culture, language, history and nature are an asset to any earth born individual. Worst part is, it USED to be like that, even US citizens used to think like that. The freaking Statue of Liberty has it FFS!"
A country that is not for it's own citizens is not a country at all. But I suppose you are right.................U.S. doesn't seem to give a shit aboot it's citizens and Mexico REALLY doesn't seem to fucking care.
Our founding fathers weren't talking about criminals entering our country ILLEGALLY. Why is it so god damned difficult for you to understand the glaring difference between a legal immigrant and an illegal immigrant? And it's a damned good thing we took that land because can you imagine how badly your countrymen would have fucked it up? I mean geezus look at Mexico now. One of the most corrupt and openly violent nations on Earth. Why do you think we need a wall?
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Why do you think they go in illegally in the first place? Because the system denies them the right to go in legally. It is a never ending loop. Also Mexico has his fair share of problems but is not the way you are shown in the media, it is NOT one of the most violent places on earth and is far from it.
Your perception is very mistaken in that matter, it is such a great place for business that most US companies have business here or are even expanding and investing. Anyway I believe you are very indoctrinated will old bullshit propaganda. Mexico´s economy has never been better, and future is very bright ahead but that is not why we are here.
I refuse to acknowledge the need of borders between countries and NO this is no hippie shit. I have seen it work in the EU where the only cunts who refuse to get in are you fellow Enlishmen too. Let us break established models and change things for once, stop your paranoia where everyone want to be in the US or take advantage of the US or destroy it.
Our founding fathers weren't talking about criminals entering our country ILLEGALLY. Why is it so god damned difficult for you to understand the glaring difference between a legal immigrant and an illegal immigrant? And it's a damned good thing we took that land because can you imagine how badly your countrymen would have fucked it up? I mean geezus look at Mexico now. One of the most corrupt and openly violent nations on Earth. Why do you think we need a wall?
Why do you think they go in illegally in the first place? Because the system denies them the right to go in legally. It is a never ending loop. Also Mexico has his fair share of problems but is not the way you are shown in the media, it is NOT one of the most violent places on earth and is far from it.
Your perception is very mistaken in that matter, it is such a great place for business that most US companies have business here or are even expanding and investing. Anyway I believe you are very indoctrinated will old bullshit propaganda. Mexico´s economy has never been better, and future is very bright ahead but that is not why we are here.
I refuse to acknowledge the need of borders between countries and NO this is no hippie shit. I have seen it work in the EU where the only cunts who refuse to get in are you fellow Enlishmen too. Let us break established models and change things for once, stop your paranoia where everyone want to be in the US or take advantage of the US or destroy it.
"@Shanus, WHOA dude why do you want to diverge attention to Mexico. I know Mexico treats immigrants like shit and I am of course not proud of that."
I do it because your government is one of the worst offenders, but cries the most aboot it.
"I believe we are citizens of the world and every sinlge individual you be able to travel as they please and seek an opportunity wherever they see fit. If you go to Europe there are NO BORDERS really NO BORDERS. We as AMERICANS should have that mentality and customs and immigration should be a formality."
You can believe that "citizen of the world" stuff all you want, but just because you believe in something does not make it so. You are not guaranteed any rights as a "world citizen". If you think about it...........if there were no borders, there would be no nations and therefore you would have no sovereignty and you would be under the yoke of some sort of global centralized government..............and they would not be very nice. Also, Europe does still have borders, they just opened them up for free travel. Which does not mean there are no borders. In fact, I think you will see more border enforcement on certain things as the Eurozone falls into the toilet.
"THE US is not for its citizens and neither is Mexico or any country. All culture, language, history and nature are an asset to any earth born individual. Worst part is, it USED to be like that, even US citizens used to think like that. The freaking Statue of Liberty has it FFS!"
A country that is not for it's own citizens is not a country at all. But I suppose you are right.................U.S. doesn't seem to give a shit aboot it's citizens and Mexico REALLY doesn't seem to fucking care.
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I like to be that naive sometimes you know, where I have not to worry about my being Mexican (or any nationality) or living somewhere or speaking a certain language. I would like to go wherever I pleased and just live. Look at BIG he is doing it only because he has an English passport, everyone should be able to do the same. I of course do not speak of myself, I am well aware I could do so too but in the bigger picture most people can't and it is just plain unfair, as unfair as being born rich to being born in Africa. I have 4 siblings 2 live in the US, one in France and the other in Ireland we really appreciate the opportunity and feel blessed and everyone should have that same opportunity to be happy anywhere.
"@Shanus, WHOA dude why do you want to diverge attention to Mexico. I know Mexico treats immigrants like shit and I am of course not proud of that."
I do it because your government is one of the worst offenders, but cries the most aboot it.
"I believe we are citizens of the world and every sinlge individual you be able to travel as they please and seek an opportunity wherever they see fit. If you go to Europe there are NO BORDERS really NO BORDERS. We as AMERICANS should have that mentality and customs and immigration should be a formality."
You can believe that "citizen of the world" stuff all you want, but just because you believe in something does not make it so. You are not guaranteed any rights as a "world citizen". If you think about it...........if there were no borders, there would be no nations and therefore you would have no sovereignty and you would be under the yoke of some sort of global centralized government..............and they would not be very nice. Also, Europe does still have borders, they just opened them up for free travel. Which does not mean there are no borders. In fact, I think you will see more border enforcement on certain things as the Eurozone falls into the toilet.
"THE US is not for its citizens and neither is Mexico or any country. All culture, language, history and nature are an asset to any earth born individual. Worst part is, it USED to be like that, even US citizens used to think like that. The freaking Statue of Liberty has it FFS!"
A country that is not for it's own citizens is not a country at all. But I suppose you are right.................U.S. doesn't seem to give a shit aboot it's citizens and Mexico REALLY doesn't seem to fucking care.
I like to be that naive sometimes you know, where I have not to worry about my being Mexican (or any nationality) or living somewhere or speaking a certain language. I would like to go wherever I pleased and just live. Look at BIG he is doing it only because he has an English passport, everyone should be able to do the same. I of course do not speak of myself, I am well aware I could do so too but in the bigger picture most people can't and it is just plain unfair, as unfair as being born rich to being born in Africa. I have 4 siblings 2 live in the US, one in France and the other in Ireland we really appreciate the opportunity and feel blessed and everyone should have that same opportunity to be happy anywhere.
Since WW2, we've closed off a bit... but I actually think it is slowly going back to open borders across the globe.
As Capitalism and free markets has become the standard rule, it's become inescapable that the laws of free-markets apply to labor just as they do money. The free-market nations are usually the first to open their borders, while the Socialists have the toughest restrictions.
I think in time, we'll see less and less control over borders.
Since WW2, we've closed off a bit... but I actually think it is slowly going back to open borders across the globe.
As Capitalism and free markets has become the standard rule, it's become inescapable that the laws of free-markets apply to labor just as they do money. The free-market nations are usually the first to open their borders, while the Socialists have the toughest restrictions.
I think in time, we'll see less and less control over borders.
Couldn't we say that that is a result of the millions being made from illegal drug sales and usage inside the United States?
Couldn't we say that that is a result of the millions being made from illegal drug sales and usage inside the United States?
I like to be that naive sometimes you know, where I have not to worry about my being Mexican (or any nationality) or living somewhere or speaking a certain language. I would like to go wherever I pleased and just live. Look at BIG he is doing it only because he has an English passport, everyone should be able to do the same. I of course do not speak of myself, I am well aware I could do so too but in the bigger picture most people can't and it is just plain unfair, as unfair as being born rich to being born in Africa. I have 4 siblings 2 live in the US, one in France and the other in Ireland we really appreciate the opportunity and feel blessed and everyone should have that same opportunity to be happy anywhere.
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I understand and it sounds great...............but how do you get everyone on board? You are going to have to worry about speaking a different language and I personally don't see that as unfair. That's just life, that's just people. The total open border policy also has it's downsides too...........but I think Mannings has it correct. It is just a matter of time.....let things happen naturally with free-markets.
[quote user=Observer] " look at Mexico now. One of the most corrupt and openly violent nations on Earth."
Couldn't we say that that is a result of the millions being made from illegal drug sales and usage inside the United States?
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We hunger for the drugs.....................this is why it should be legalized. Yes, get your bumps at Walgreens.
[quote user=EricManning] I didn't think there was such a thing as illegal immigration until the 20th century or so. Immigrants just signed in, received a quick physical and basic medical care, and usually received some basic essentials and took a job with one of the waiting employers. If you didn't want to do factory work, the Government gave you land and taught you how to efficiently grow crops. Everyone sent their kids to public schools - every US state was providing free education long before the rest of the world.
Since WW2, we've closed off a bit... but I actually think it is slowly going back to open borders across the globe.
As Capitalism and free markets has become the standard rule, it's become inescapable that the laws of free-markets apply to labor just as they do money. The free-market nations are usually the first to open their borders, while the Socialists have the toughest restrictions.
I think in time, we'll see less and less control over borders.
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That would be ideal.......
I like to be that naive sometimes you know, where I have not to worry about my being Mexican (or any nationality) or living somewhere or speaking a certain language. I would like to go wherever I pleased and just live. Look at BIG he is doing it only because he has an English passport, everyone should be able to do the same. I of course do not speak of myself, I am well aware I could do so too but in the bigger picture most people can't and it is just plain unfair, as unfair as being born rich to being born in Africa. I have 4 siblings 2 live in the US, one in France and the other in Ireland we really appreciate the opportunity and feel blessed and everyone should have that same opportunity to be happy anywhere.
I understand and it sounds great...............but how do you get everyone on board? You are going to have to worry about speaking a different language and I personally don't see that as unfair. That's just life, that's just people. The total open border policy also has it's downsides too...........but I think Mannings has it correct. It is just a matter of time.....let things happen naturally with free-markets.
Couldn't we say that that is a result of the millions being made from illegal drug sales and usage inside the United States?
We hunger for the drugs.....................this is why it should be legalized. Yes, get your bumps at Walgreens.
Since WW2, we've closed off a bit... but I actually think it is slowly going back to open borders across the globe.
As Capitalism and free markets has become the standard rule, it's become inescapable that the laws of free-markets apply to labor just as they do money. The free-market nations are usually the first to open their borders, while the Socialists have the toughest restrictions.
I think in time, we'll see less and less control over borders.
That would be ideal.......
Since WW2, we've closed off a bit... but I actually think it is slowly going back to open borders across the globe.
As Capitalism and free markets has become the standard rule, it's become inescapable that the laws of free-markets apply to labor just as they do money. The free-market nations are usually the first to open their borders, while the Socialists have the toughest restrictions.
I think in time, we'll see less and less control over borders.
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Sorry I disagree....The governments should have full control on who comes and who stays in a country. We don't need your criminals and your mentally ill just walking over the border and demanding rights of a full citizen. Most countries have immigrations policies in place to monitor and provide assistance to newcomers.
Labor is just one aspect of immigration. What about political and ideological interest that conflict with the new nation? Shouldn't a country have the right to expel those people? Or not allow them in the country altogether. Health issues are also a major concern. Some of you Hippies (Not you, Eric) seem to forget about the problems that keep us from being people of the world. Instead of picking up and moving to a better life, why don't to stay in your home countries and make it better there. Leaving your home country should be a choice not a necessity.
I don't understand why Mexicans are always the first people. Folks look at when it comes to illegal immigration. When a large portion of offenders come from European countries and others just decide to stay in the states long after their vistas have run out..
Since WW2, we've closed off a bit... but I actually think it is slowly going back to open borders across the globe.
As Capitalism and free markets has become the standard rule, it's become inescapable that the laws of free-markets apply to labor just as they do money. The free-market nations are usually the first to open their borders, while the Socialists have the toughest restrictions.
I think in time, we'll see less and less control over borders.
Sorry I disagree....The governments should have full control on who comes and who stays in a country. We don't need your criminals and your mentally ill just walking over the border and demanding rights of a full citizen. Most countries have immigrations policies in place to monitor and provide assistance to newcomers.
Labor is just one aspect of immigration. What about political and ideological interest that conflict with the new nation? Shouldn't a country have the right to expel those people? Or not allow them in the country altogether. Health issues are also a major concern. Some of you Hippies (Not you, Eric) seem to forget about the problems that keep us from being people of the world. Instead of picking up and moving to a better life, why don't to stay in your home countries and make it better there. Leaving your home country should be a choice not a necessity.
I don't understand why Mexicans are always the first people. Folks look at when it comes to illegal immigration. When a large portion of offenders come from European countries and others just decide to stay in the states long after their vistas have run out..
It is a FACT, that all peoples have migrated, and displaced others.
It is a FACT, that all peoples have migrated, and displaced others.
The Soultrain migration?
The Soultrain migration?
The Soultrain migration?
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Came over from the area of Spain along the ice pack...
The Soultrain migration?
Came over from the area of Spain along the ice pack...
We don't need your criminals and your mentally ill just walking over the border and demanding rights of a full citizen.
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I'm no world explorer or anything, but on my travels, I've noticed that every country has about the same proportion of criminals and the mentally ill. A completely open immigration policy wouldn't really alter this paradigm.
We don't need your criminals and your mentally ill just walking over the border and demanding rights of a full citizen.
I'm no world explorer or anything, but on my travels, I've noticed that every country has about the same proportion of criminals and the mentally ill. A completely open immigration policy wouldn't really alter this paradigm.
I'm no world explorer or anything, but on my travels, I've realised that every country has about the same proportion of criminals and the mentally ill. a completely open immigration policy wouldn't really alter this paradigm,
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Dude, we have a major problem with Mexican Drug gangs fighting territorial wars on our side of the border and a president that refuses to do anything about it. Cuba cleaned out their prisons and mental institutions and shipped those folks over here. An open immigration policy is nothing more than an open invitation for some countries to ship their undesirable people some where else.
I'm no world explorer or anything, but on my travels, I've realised that every country has about the same proportion of criminals and the mentally ill. a completely open immigration policy wouldn't really alter this paradigm,
Dude, we have a major problem with Mexican Drug gangs fighting territorial wars on our side of the border and a president that refuses to do anything about it. Cuba cleaned out their prisons and mental institutions and shipped those folks over here. An open immigration policy is nothing more than an open invitation for some countries to ship their undesirable people some where else.
Dude, we have a major problem with Mexican Drug gangs fighting territorial wars on our side of the border and a president that refuses to do anything about it. Cuba cleaned out their prisons and mental institutions and shipped those folks over here. An open immigration policy is nothing more than an open invitation for some countries to ship their undesirable people some where else.
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well fuck. retaliate by shipping off your undesirables.. mabye in all the hugger mugger, some will die in transit.
Dude, we have a major problem with Mexican Drug gangs fighting territorial wars on our side of the border and a president that refuses to do anything about it. Cuba cleaned out their prisons and mental institutions and shipped those folks over here. An open immigration policy is nothing more than an open invitation for some countries to ship their undesirable people some where else.
well fuck. retaliate by shipping off your undesirables.. mabye in all the hugger mugger, some will die in transit.
Dude, we have a major problem with Mexican Drug gangs fighting territorial wars on our side of the border and a president that refuses to do anything about it. Cuba cleaned out their prisons and mental institutions and shipped those folks over here. An open immigration policy is nothing more than an open invitation for some countries to ship their undesirable people some where else.
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You speak like EVERYONE wants to be in the US which is ridiculous. Just think about it, why go there if it is the hardest place to get into and there are MANY pleces better to go to. If you are middle eastern or African, it is a hell of a lot easier to get into Europe, whereas if you are Asian probably Australia or Canada is the better choice. The US is a big ass mix of countries but of course latinos and Mexicans will be the top numbers, distance is the first barrier.
Dude, we have a major problem with Mexican Drug gangs fighting territorial wars on our side of the border and a president that refuses to do anything about it. Cuba cleaned out their prisons and mental institutions and shipped those folks over here. An open immigration policy is nothing more than an open invitation for some countries to ship their undesirable people some where else.
You speak like EVERYONE wants to be in the US which is ridiculous. Just think about it, why go there if it is the hardest place to get into and there are MANY pleces better to go to. If you are middle eastern or African, it is a hell of a lot easier to get into Europe, whereas if you are Asian probably Australia or Canada is the better choice. The US is a big ass mix of countries but of course latinos and Mexicans will be the top numbers, distance is the first barrier.
You speak like EVERYONE wants to be in the US which is ridiculous. Just think about it, why go there if it is the hardest place to get into and there are MANY pleces better to go to. If you are middle eastern or African, it is a hell of a lot easier to get into Europe, whereas if you are Asian probably Australia or Canada is the better choice. The US is a big ass mix of countries but of course latinos and Mexicans will be the top numbers, distance is the first barrier.
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...No,No please don't misunderstand me.. Any country (not just america) that is foolish enough to adopt a policy of open and uncontrolled immigration will see their crime rate sky rocket, Their economy devastated and their culture unrecognizable. I have nothing against controlled and lawful immigration.
You speak like EVERYONE wants to be in the US which is ridiculous. Just think about it, why go there if it is the hardest place to get into and there are MANY pleces better to go to. If you are middle eastern or African, it is a hell of a lot easier to get into Europe, whereas if you are Asian probably Australia or Canada is the better choice. The US is a big ass mix of countries but of course latinos and Mexicans will be the top numbers, distance is the first barrier.
...No,No please don't misunderstand me.. Any country (not just america) that is foolish enough to adopt a policy of open and uncontrolled immigration will see their crime rate sky rocket, Their economy devastated and their culture unrecognizable. I have nothing against controlled and lawful immigration.
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you're no doubt refering to hong-couver
you're no doubt refering to hong-couver
You speak like EVERYONE wants to be in the US which is ridiculous. Just think about it, why go there if it is the hardest place to get into and there are MANY pleces better to go to. If you are middle eastern or African, it is a hell of a lot easier to get into Europe, whereas if you are Asian probably Australia or Canada is the better choice. The US is a big ass mix of countries but of course latinos and Mexicans will be the top numbers, distance is the first barrier.
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...No,No please don't misunderstand me.. Any country (not just america) that is foolish enough to adopt a policy of open and uncontrolled immigration will see their crime rate sky rocket, Their economy devastated and their culture unrecognizable. I have nothing against controlled and lawful immigration.
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Problem is lawful migration today in the US = Only people with money can migrate.
You speak like EVERYONE wants to be in the US which is ridiculous. Just think about it, why go there if it is the hardest place to get into and there are MANY pleces better to go to. If you are middle eastern or African, it is a hell of a lot easier to get into Europe, whereas if you are Asian probably Australia or Canada is the better choice. The US is a big ass mix of countries but of course latinos and Mexicans will be the top numbers, distance is the first barrier.
...No,No please don't misunderstand me.. Any country (not just america) that is foolish enough to adopt a policy of open and uncontrolled immigration will see their crime rate sky rocket, Their economy devastated and their culture unrecognizable. I have nothing against controlled and lawful immigration.
Problem is lawful migration today in the US = Only people with money can migrate.
You speak like EVERYONE wants to be in the US which is ridiculous. Just think about it, why go there if it is the hardest place to get into and there are MANY pleces better to go to. If you are middle eastern or African, it is a hell of a lot easier to get into Europe, whereas if you are Asian probably Australia or Canada is the better choice. The US is a big ass mix of countries but of course latinos and Mexicans will be the top numbers, distance is the first barrier.
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...No,No please don't misunderstand me.. Any country (not just america) that is foolish enough to adopt a policy of open and uncontrolled immigration will see their crime rate sky rocket, Their economy devastated and their culture unrecognizable. I have nothing against controlled and lawful immigration.
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Problem is lawful migration today in the US = Only people with money can migrate.
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Just because you assume that, doesn't make it true.
http://washingtonindependent.com/98760/how-much-does-it-cost-to-become-an-american
It's not expensive at all.
You speak like EVERYONE wants to be in the US which is ridiculous. Just think about it, why go there if it is the hardest place to get into and there are MANY pleces better to go to. If you are middle eastern or African, it is a hell of a lot easier to get into Europe, whereas if you are Asian probably Australia or Canada is the better choice. The US is a big ass mix of countries but of course latinos and Mexicans will be the top numbers, distance is the first barrier.
...No,No please don't misunderstand me.. Any country (not just america) that is foolish enough to adopt a policy of open and uncontrolled immigration will see their crime rate sky rocket, Their economy devastated and their culture unrecognizable. I have nothing against controlled and lawful immigration.
Problem is lawful migration today in the US = Only people with money can migrate.
Just because you assume that, doesn't make it true.
http://washingtonindependent.com/98760/how-much-does-it-cost-to-become-an-american
It's not expensive at all.