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Posted by
mac
promoted 1 year 8 months ago, posted 2 years 2 months ago
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History is riddled with villains, but a few stand out for their savagery and contempt for human life.
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Adolf Hitler, startet the most catastrophic war in human history... killcount: 30,000,000 (with 20,000,000 shared with Stalin.)
3.70% (1)
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Josef Stalin, sent countless millions to the gulags, purged the red army and paralyzed it so it got raeped hard during operation barbarossa. kept an entire bloc of nations living in fear for over 30 years.
18.52% (5)
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Mao Tse Tung: His 'reforms' caused at least 50,000,000 people to die of starvation during the now infamous 'great leap forward' violently oppresses millions who wern't Han Chinese
11.11% (3)
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Robert Macnamara. Main architect behind the Vietnam war. free fire zones, the destruction of Laos, and destabilization of cambodia which enabled the rise of the Khmer Rouge. 4,000,000 people killed.
3.70% (1)
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Gehngis Kahn... Pwnd everything in his path. carved a racial memory so deep that the middle east is still getting over it.
11.11% (3)
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Napoleon, started a war that engulfed europe. not that that is a very unique situation.
0% (0)
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Julius Caesar... stamped out the last ebmers of democracy which would not reignite for over a thousnd years.
3.70% (1)
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Hirohito that japanese emperor who ordered the slaughter in Manchuria, the death marches and subjugation and rape of most of SE asia.
0% (0)
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Dubya & Dick... well small fry really in this company but the most recent so w/e
3.70% (1)
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Vladimir Putin.... just a badass
3.70% (1)
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Churchill. allegedly (by a bunch of pinkos no doubt) gassed some kurds, starved some injuns, threw some boers in camps and main architect behind the sheer fail that was the 1915 dardenelles campaign
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Alexander. Spread hellenic culture through the middle east and offered them a chance at salvation which they did not take... lost an army trying to cross a desert. conqured most of the (then) known world.
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Hernan Cortez. conqistador mostly responsible for the destruction of the Aztec and Maya civilizations
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St Paul. caused the creation of the catholic church
33.33% (9)
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Mohammed: founded islam
3.70% (1)
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Jooleea Gillard.. will introduce a carbon tax, is an embarrassment when abroad
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Pol Pot
3.70% (1)
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Mary Todd Lincoln
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Skynet... became self aware august 9th 1997 and launched a preemptive strike against russia, knowing the retaliation would destroy it's enemys here. enslaved the human race until John Connor saved the day.
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Xenu. ..... has the high score?
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I do not think we should judge the "worst dictator" as the one who killed the most people, the effect, though tragic may have few overall historical consequences. Even then there there is a villain to which all the others pale by comparison. Undoubtedly then, (for me) the single greatest blight on human social and intellectual development, (over a 1000 years worth) the one whom probably has been responsible for the greatest amount of human misery and general retardation would have to be...
The roman catholic church.
That organisation is fucking evil.
I do not think we should judge the "worst dictator" as the one who killed the most people, the effect, though tragic may have few overall historical consequences. Even then there there is a villain to which all the others pale by comparison. Undoubtedly then, (for me) the single greatest blight on human social and intellectual development, (over a 1000 years worth) the one whom probably has been responsible for the greatest amount of human misery and general retardation would have to be...
The roman catholic church.
That organisation is fucking evil.
I do not think we should judge the "worst dictator" as the one who killed the most people, the effect, though tragic may have few overall historical consequences. Even then there there is a villain to which all the others pale by comparison. Undoubtedly then, (for me) the single greatest blight on human social and intellectual development, (over a 1000 years worth) the one whom probably has been responsible for the greatest amount of human misery and general retardation would have to be...
The roman catholic church.
That organisation is fucking evil.
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QFT
The Unholy Trinity (christianity, judaism, islam) dwarfs all these dictators put together.
I do not think we should judge the "worst dictator" as the one who killed the most people, the effect, though tragic may have few overall historical consequences. Even then there there is a villain to which all the others pale by comparison. Undoubtedly then, (for me) the single greatest blight on human social and intellectual development, (over a 1000 years worth) the one whom probably has been responsible for the greatest amount of human misery and general retardation would have to be...
The roman catholic church.
That organisation is fucking evil.
QFT
The Unholy Trinity (christianity, judaism, islam) dwarfs all these dictators put together.
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I thought about adding that as an option, but his legacy wasn't all bad
[quote user=alienpig] ......organisation ..........
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no individual really stands out from that institution.
[quote user=pablo420]Churchill?[/quote]
oh come on, what evils did this guy commit?
I thought about adding that as an option, but his legacy wasn't all bad
no individual really stands out from that institution.
oh come on, what evils did this guy commit?
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no individual really stands out from that institution.
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According to the wonders of Capitalism, organisations ARE individuals.
no individual really stands out from that institution.
According to the wonders of Capitalism, organisations ARE individuals.
[quote user=macattact] [quote user=alienpig] ......organisation ..........
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no individual really stands out from that institution.
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This only shows that your poll is too narrowly conceived
no individual really stands out from that institution.
This only shows that your poll is too narrowly conceived
[quote user=macattact]no individual really stands out from that institution.
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This only shows that your poll is too narrowly conceived
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or it's a poll about individuals, not organizations or religions...
This only shows that your poll is too narrowly conceived
or it's a poll about individuals, not organizations or religions...
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or it's a poll about individuals, not organizations or religions...
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who could not have wrought such destruction without the affiliation of a govt. or empire (organisation)
or it's a poll about individuals, not organizations or religions...
who could not have wrought such destruction without the affiliation of a govt. or empire (organisation)
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Fuck you I Tin'd it
Fuck you I Tin'd it
[quote user=pablo420]Churchill?[/quote]
oh come on, what evils did this guy commit?
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lots actually
oh come on, what evils did this guy commit?
lots actually
I thought about adding that as an option, but his legacy wasn't all bad
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By that rationale neither were Stalin and Mao.
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[quote user=pablo420]Churchill?[/quote]
oh come on, what evils did this guy commit?
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Plenty, including ironically the gassing of Kurds in Iraq (one of the first uses of chemical warfare against civillians I understand), something that Saddam Hussein was later demonised for doing.
I thought about adding that as an option, but his legacy wasn't all bad
By that rationale neither were Stalin and Mao.
oh come on, what evils did this guy commit?
Plenty, including ironically the gassing of Kurds in Iraq (one of the first uses of chemical warfare against civillians I understand), something that Saddam Hussein was later demonised for doing.
[quote user=pablo420] [quote user=macattact]I thought about adding that as an option, but his legacy wasn't all bad[/quote]
By that rationale neither were Stalin and Mao.
[quote user=macattact]oh come on, what evils did this guy commit?
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Plenty, including ironically the gassing of Kurds in Iraq (one of the first uses of chemical warfare against civillians I understand), something that Saddam Hussein was later demonised for doing.
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Yeah......feh, meh. Just because he wanted to, does not mean they actually did. REFUTED!!
Sorry homie, but your boy Stalin is major league prick face by any comparison.
By that rationale neither were Stalin and Mao.
Plenty, including ironically the gassing of Kurds in Iraq (one of the first uses of chemical warfare against civillians I understand), something that Saddam Hussein was later demonised for doing.
Yeah......feh, meh. Just because he wanted to, does not mean they actually did. REFUTED!!
Sorry homie, but your boy Stalin is major league prick face by any comparison.
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ex wife?
(i know, i'll go wikipedia her)
ex wife?
(i know, i'll go wikipedia her)
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Add pablo in because he would put me to death if he took power
Add pablo in because he would put me to death if he took power
Add pablo in because he would put me to death if he took power
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He would if he was stalinist, but he is not, he is much worse ...
He is trotskyist, which means that if he took power he would invite you, bring you a cup of tea, put a hand on your shoulder and then debate you in soft voice on the aspects of socialism till you are either mad, dead or agree with him. That constitutes torture, stalinists don't do that.
Add pablo in because he would put me to death if he took power
He would if he was stalinist, but he is not, he is much worse ...
He is trotskyist, which means that if he took power he would invite you, bring you a cup of tea, put a hand on your shoulder and then debate you in soft voice on the aspects of socialism till you are either mad, dead or agree with him. That constitutes torture, stalinists don't do that.
Your ignorance of history and inability to think is astounding - the Catholic Church is the very reason you have a computer to write on at this moment - had they not kept learning and education alive during the Dark Ages, you would still be working as a fucking serf, living in a hut without running water, a toilet and TV and dying at age 30... Of course, the priests would still be sucking your kid's dicks - but...what can you do?
Your ignorance of history and inability to think is astounding - the Catholic Church is the very reason you have a computer to write on at this moment - had they not kept learning and education alive during the Dark Ages, you would still be working as a fucking serf, living in a hut without running water, a toilet and TV and dying at age 30... Of course, the priests would still be sucking your kid's dicks - but...what can you do?
To put Jesus in this list and then blame him for the Catholic church is such a troll move. You then later on in the thread defend the point that this is about individuals, not organizations. For that reason Jesus should have not spot on the list, unless you can tell me all the deaths HE caused, not the church. I don't even disagree with what Judge has written directly above this, but that's got nothing to do with the story of Jesus.
Just sayin'.
Stalin FTW.
To put Jesus in this list and then blame him for the Catholic church is such a troll move. You then later on in the thread defend the point that this is about individuals, not organizations. For that reason Jesus should have not spot on the list, unless you can tell me all the deaths HE caused, not the church. I don't even disagree with what Judge has written directly above this, but that's got nothing to do with the story of Jesus.
Just sayin'.
Stalin FTW.
To put Jesus in this list and then blame him for the Catholic church is such a troll move. You then later on in the thread defend the point that this is about individuals, not organizations. For that reason Jesus should have not spot on the list, unless you can tell me all the deaths HE caused, not the church. I don't even disagree with what Judge has written directly above this, but that's got nothing to do with the story of Jesus.
Just sayin'.
Stalin FTW.
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it was a late addition due to popular demand
To put Jesus in this list and then blame him for the Catholic church is such a troll move. You then later on in the thread defend the point that this is about individuals, not organizations. For that reason Jesus should have not spot on the list, unless you can tell me all the deaths HE caused, not the church. I don't even disagree with what Judge has written directly above this, but that's got nothing to do with the story of Jesus.
Just sayin'.
Stalin FTW.
it was a late addition due to popular demand
Your ignorance of history and inability to think is astounding - the Catholic Church is the very reason you have a computer to write on at this moment - had they not kept learning and education alive during the Dark Ages, you would still be working as a fucking serf, living in a hut without running water, a toilet and TV and dying at age 30... Of course, the priests would still be sucking your kid's dicks - but...what can you do?
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Holy shit, you might (MIGHT) have a point!
Your ignorance of history and inability to think is astounding - the Catholic Church is the very reason you have a computer to write on at this moment - had they not kept learning and education alive during the Dark Ages, you would still be working as a fucking serf, living in a hut without running water, a toilet and TV and dying at age 30... Of course, the priests would still be sucking your kid's dicks - but...what can you do?
Holy shit, you might (MIGHT) have a point!
He would if he was stalinist, but he is not, he is much worse ...
He is trotskyist, which means that if he took power he would invite you, bring you a cup of tea, put a hand on your shoulder and then debate you in soft voice on the aspects of socialism till you are either mad, dead or agree with him. That constitutes torture, stalinists don't do that.
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I'm not a trot; I can't stand them actually.
He would if he was stalinist, but he is not, he is much worse ...
He is trotskyist, which means that if he took power he would invite you, bring you a cup of tea, put a hand on your shoulder and then debate you in soft voice on the aspects of socialism till you are either mad, dead or agree with him. That constitutes torture, stalinists don't do that.
I'm not a trot; I can't stand them actually.
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[quote user=ZaGGeh13] POL POT mother fuckers!
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Your ignorance of history and inability to think is astounding - the Catholic Church is the very reason you have a computer to write on at this moment - had they not kept learning and education alive during the Dark Ages, you would still be working as a fucking serf, living in a hut without running water, a toilet and TV and dying at age 30... Of course, the priests would still be sucking your kid's dicks - but...what can you do?
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Yet there was nearly no scientific progress over those thousand years. The only education available there was the one filtered through the bible. When the roman empire fell the catholic church moved to seize power over europe and they did so through killing anyone who would not accept their god. After they had exterminated the pagans and any other competing religion in the area they tightened their grip by monopolizing education and thus information. The rest is bloody history. Sure, they did some good. But what if they never rose to power? How would history have unfolded then?
Edit: Iv'e been reading up on Genghis Khan, man was a bastard, ill lovingly embrace the church before him.
Your ignorance of history and inability to think is astounding - the Catholic Church is the very reason you have a computer to write on at this moment - had they not kept learning and education alive during the Dark Ages, you would still be working as a fucking serf, living in a hut without running water, a toilet and TV and dying at age 30... Of course, the priests would still be sucking your kid's dicks - but...what can you do?
Yet there was nearly no scientific progress over those thousand years. The only education available there was the one filtered through the bible. When the roman empire fell the catholic church moved to seize power over europe and they did so through killing anyone who would not accept their god. After they had exterminated the pagans and any other competing religion in the area they tightened their grip by monopolizing education and thus information. The rest is bloody history. Sure, they did some good. But what if they never rose to power? How would history have unfolded then?
Edit: Iv'e been reading up on Genghis Khan, man was a bastard, ill lovingly embrace the church before him.
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True. Also when he died, the dudes that dug his grave were killed. Then when they were delivering his body, everything was killed in its path. Genghis also created an army from a bunch of nomads. All these other dudes had governments to piggy back off of to create their armies of destruction.
True. Also when he died, the dudes that dug his grave were killed. Then when they were delivering his body, everything was killed in its path. Genghis also created an army from a bunch of nomads. All these other dudes had governments to piggy back off of to create their armies of destruction.
True. Also when he died, the dudes that dug his grave were killed. Then when they were delivering his body, everything was killed in its path. Genghis also created an army from a bunch of nomads. All these other dudes had governments to piggy back off of to create their armies of destruction.
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some arab governor tried to bribe genghis with 'as much gold and silver as you can want' if genghis would spare him. Genghis got some silver he had won from previous cities, melted it down, and while it was still liquid, poured it into the eyes, throat, and over the hands of the governor just to show how little silver meant to him. All in front of the walls of the still unbroken city. A few days later it too fell.
True. Also when he died, the dudes that dug his grave were killed. Then when they were delivering his body, everything was killed in its path. Genghis also created an army from a bunch of nomads. All these other dudes had governments to piggy back off of to create their armies of destruction.
some arab governor tried to bribe genghis with 'as much gold and silver as you can want' if genghis would spare him. Genghis got some silver he had won from previous cities, melted it down, and while it was still liquid, poured it into the eyes, throat, and over the hands of the governor just to show how little silver meant to him. All in front of the walls of the still unbroken city. A few days later it too fell.
some arab governor tried to bribe genghis with 'as much gold and silver as you can want' if genghis would spare him. Genghis got some silver he had won from previous cities, melted it down, and while it was still liquid, poured it into the eyes, throat, and over the hands of the governor just to show how little silver meant to him. All in front of the walls of the still unbroken city. A few days later it too fell.
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Fuck he was ruthless. I bet he'd be happy if he knew people would still remember his brutality centuries later.
some arab governor tried to bribe genghis with 'as much gold and silver as you can want' if genghis would spare him. Genghis got some silver he had won from previous cities, melted it down, and while it was still liquid, poured it into the eyes, throat, and over the hands of the governor just to show how little silver meant to him. All in front of the walls of the still unbroken city. A few days later it too fell.
Fuck he was ruthless. I bet he'd be happy if he knew people would still remember his brutality centuries later.
I do not think we should judge the "worst dictator" as the one who killed the most people, the effect, though tragic may have few overall historical consequences. Even then there there is a villain to which all the others pale by comparison. Undoubtedly then, (for me) the single greatest blight on human social and intellectual development, (over a 1000 years worth) the one whom probably has been responsible for the greatest amount of human misery and general retardation would have to be...
The roman catholic church.
That organisation is fucking evil.
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Agreed 100%. I voted Peter.
I do not think we should judge the "worst dictator" as the one who killed the most people, the effect, though tragic may have few overall historical consequences. Even then there there is a villain to which all the others pale by comparison. Undoubtedly then, (for me) the single greatest blight on human social and intellectual development, (over a 1000 years worth) the one whom probably has been responsible for the greatest amount of human misery and general retardation would have to be...
The roman catholic church.
That organisation is fucking evil.
Agreed 100%. I voted Peter.
some arab governor tried to bribe genghis with 'as much gold and silver as you can want' if genghis would spare him. Genghis got some silver he had won from previous cities, melted it down, and while it was still liquid, poured it into the eyes, throat, and over the hands of the governor just to show how little silver meant to him. All in front of the walls of the still unbroken city. A few days later it too fell.
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OK, what you have just typed there sir is bad ass.
some arab governor tried to bribe genghis with 'as much gold and silver as you can want' if genghis would spare him. Genghis got some silver he had won from previous cities, melted it down, and while it was still liquid, poured it into the eyes, throat, and over the hands of the governor just to show how little silver meant to him. All in front of the walls of the still unbroken city. A few days later it too fell.
OK, what you have just typed there sir is bad ass.
Catholic church is a close second just for the length of their reign of tyranny, ~600 years iirc.
Catholic church is a close second just for the length of their reign of tyranny, ~600 years iirc.