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Posted by
InSOmnIaC
promoted 1 year 2 months ago, posted 1 year 2 months ago
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Everyone keeps bringing this topic up so, lets see where everyone actually stands.
big
tan
thisaintnews
cost
hosting
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£600 sounds about right.
44% (11)
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£600 is high, but I'll help anyways.
20% (5)
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£600 is a bit steep, shave a little off.
8% (2)
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£600!!! Are you fucking nuts? Get new hosting!
28% (7)
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Thats not the kind of poll pole I meant.
Thats not the kind of poll pole I meant.
and it's about time dark posted a pic
and it's about time dark posted a pic
and it's about time dark posted a pic
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Well its one thing not to give a shit when you pay for everything yourself. When you start soliciting donations and tell people they have to pay for something to keep it running, well then you have to give a shit. Not only that, those who are donating money, should have a say in how their money is spent.
and it's about time dark posted a pic
Well its one thing not to give a shit when you pay for everything yourself. When you start soliciting donations and tell people they have to pay for something to keep it running, well then you have to give a shit. Not only that, those who are donating money, should have a say in how their money is spent.
Well its one thing not to give a shit when you pay for everything yourself. When you start soliciting donations and tell people they have to pay for something to keep it running, well then you have to give a shit. Not only that, those who are donating money, should have a say in how their money is spent.
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I'll say the same as I said last year. If he can explain how it needs such a big chunk of money I'll donate, but his "fuck y'all, yous just don't understand n'that" attitude was annoying.
In between digi trolling me tonight I did some homework and I can see why it can't be run on shared hosting. I can perhaps do a little bit of explaining in bigs absence. We get around 3~5k hits a day which would probably cripple a shared host. The thing that takes the most CPU cycles is shit like posting comments, pictures and links. Stuff that has Perl (or whatever language he said he used) access a database, save files, resize stuff and all that jazz. Which, only active users do. Guests and visitors just load pages which use next to nothing in terms of CPU and RAM but do cost bandwidth (which looking at the stuff Ras posted, was around 1.2-2GB a day). The other problem we'll have is HDD space because I can see TAN using a fair whack of that with all the images hosted here and the database of all our posts and the database of all the submissions. I'm not sure how much it'll be using but I'll hazard it's more than the 30-50GB VPS hosting plans provide. And even if it's only 20GB, that doesn't provide enough breathing room for future submissions.
I still can't see why we need a system that's got 8GB RAM in there for TAN, or why it uses 8GB RAM. It's probably the way he's coded it because RAM is a fuckton faster than hard drives.
I'm up for opening a dialogue with Big on this shit and shopping around to see if we can't find somewhere cheaper and/or downsize on the host, because if we can't really afford to keep the place running then we need to downsize a little or something.
Well its one thing not to give a shit when you pay for everything yourself. When you start soliciting donations and tell people they have to pay for something to keep it running, well then you have to give a shit. Not only that, those who are donating money, should have a say in how their money is spent.
I'll say the same as I said last year. If he can explain how it needs such a big chunk of money I'll donate, but his "fuck y'all, yous just don't understand n'that" attitude was annoying.
In between digi trolling me tonight I did some homework and I can see why it can't be run on shared hosting. I can perhaps do a little bit of explaining in bigs absence. We get around 3~5k hits a day which would probably cripple a shared host. The thing that takes the most CPU cycles is shit like posting comments, pictures and links. Stuff that has Perl (or whatever language he said he used) access a database, save files, resize stuff and all that jazz. Which, only active users do. Guests and visitors just load pages which use next to nothing in terms of CPU and RAM but do cost bandwidth (which looking at the stuff Ras posted, was around 1.2-2GB a day). The other problem we'll have is HDD space because I can see TAN using a fair whack of that with all the images hosted here and the database of all our posts and the database of all the submissions. I'm not sure how much it'll be using but I'll hazard it's more than the 30-50GB VPS hosting plans provide. And even if it's only 20GB, that doesn't provide enough breathing room for future submissions.
I still can't see why we need a system that's got 8GB RAM in there for TAN, or why it uses 8GB RAM. It's probably the way he's coded it because RAM is a fuckton faster than hard drives.
I'm up for opening a dialogue with Big on this shit and shopping around to see if we can't find somewhere cheaper and/or downsize on the host, because if we can't really afford to keep the place running then we need to downsize a little or something.
Well its one thing not to give a shit when you pay for everything yourself. When you start soliciting donations and tell people they have to pay for something to keep it running, well then you have to give a shit. Not only that, those who are donating money, should have a say in how their money is spent.
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its a donation, not a subscription. You dont have a say in what happens with the money if you gift it away. if you want a say, demand that bigs make this a subscription site.
Well its one thing not to give a shit when you pay for everything yourself. When you start soliciting donations and tell people they have to pay for something to keep it running, well then you have to give a shit. Not only that, those who are donating money, should have a say in how their money is spent.
its a donation, not a subscription. You dont have a say in what happens with the money if you gift it away. if you want a say, demand that bigs make this a subscription site.
According to ookla, the average internet upload speed in england is 2.2mbps or 220 kilobytes per second.
I would assume that the average amount of TAN hosted data per hit is around 100 kilobytes, quite easy for a 220 kilobyte per second upload rate to handle. Since TAN only gets 1 hit per 17 seconds, the average hit size could be 3.7 megabytes and still run smoothly.
tldr; TAN could have 10x its current traffic and still easily be hosted by the average internet connection.
According to ookla, the average internet upload speed in england is 2.2mbps or 220 kilobytes per second.
I would assume that the average amount of TAN hosted data per hit is around 100 kilobytes, quite easy for a 220 kilobyte per second upload rate to handle. Since TAN only gets 1 hit per 17 seconds, the average hit size could be 3.7 megabytes and still run smoothly.
tldr; TAN could have 10x its current traffic and still easily be hosted by the average internet connection.
Not the same thing but yeah.
Not the same thing but yeah.
its a donation, not a subscription. You dont have a say in what happens with the money if you gift it away. if you want a say, demand that bigs make this a subscription site.
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I would argue the exact opposite. I've never heard of a subscription based service suddenly allowing a say to users. And not only that, the word "donation" here is simply named that because that is what its called by paypal. It doesnt have to hold the same meaning as say, donating to a charity.
its a donation, not a subscription. You dont have a say in what happens with the money if you gift it away. if you want a say, demand that bigs make this a subscription site.
I would argue the exact opposite. I've never heard of a subscription based service suddenly allowing a say to users. And not only that, the word "donation" here is simply named that because that is what its called by paypal. It doesnt have to hold the same meaning as say, donating to a charity.
[quote user=Matt2k35] The whole site gets between 3k to 5k views a day and transfers around 1.5-2GB a day. So around 60GB a month. a Virgin Media connection in the UK for 50Mbit would be able to upload at ~500kbs a sec (5.5Mbps). It would take around 45 minutes to upload a 2GB file to anywhere in the world. So, yeah, a UK connection could host the site in theory, but Virgin wouldn't be too pleased about it.
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BTW FTTC would be a better option.
BTW FTTC would be a better option.
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I would argue the exact opposite. I've never heard of a subscription based service suddenly allowing a say to users. And not only that, the word "donation" here is simply named that because that is what its called by paypal. It doesnt have to hold the same meaning as say, donating to a charity.
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so if the word "donate" doesnt hold the same meaning, what would you say it means on this site then?
I would argue the exact opposite. I've never heard of a subscription based service suddenly allowing a say to users. And not only that, the word "donation" here is simply named that because that is what its called by paypal. It doesnt have to hold the same meaning as say, donating to a charity.
so if the word "donate" doesnt hold the same meaning, what would you say it means on this site then?
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I get shell on my Surpass.
I get shell on my Surpass.
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SH2 (US) - Unlimited Disk Space, Unmetered Bandwidth, 10 Domains, 99.9% Guarantee SLA - $15 p/m
Mostly just for for storage, since we might need a TAN alternative I started doing some PHP-ing.
SH2 (US) - Unlimited Disk Space, Unmetered Bandwidth, 10 Domains, 99.9% Guarantee SLA - $15 p/m
Mostly just for for storage, since we might need a TAN alternative I started doing some PHP-ing.
According to ookla, the average internet upload speed in england is 2.2mbps or 220 kilobytes per second.
I would assume that the average amount of TAN hosted data per hit is around 100 kilobytes, quite easy for a 220 kilobyte per second upload rate to handle. Since TAN only gets 1 hit per 17 seconds, the average hit size could be 3.7 megabytes and still run smoothly.
tldr; TAN could have 10x its current traffic and still easily be hosted by the average internet connection.
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[quote user=Matt2k35] The whole site gets between 3k to 5k views a day and transfers around 1.5-2GB a day. So around 60GB a month. a Virgin Media connection in the UK for 50Mbit would be able to upload at ~500kbs a sec (5.5Mbps). It would take around 45 minutes to upload a 2GB file to anywhere in the world. So, yeah, a UK connection could host the site in theory, but Virgin wouldn't be too pleased about it.
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you're confusing visitors with hits, per day we get about 100,000 hits. not 3,000.
According to ookla, the average internet upload speed in england is 2.2mbps or 220 kilobytes per second.
I would assume that the average amount of TAN hosted data per hit is around 100 kilobytes, quite easy for a 220 kilobyte per second upload rate to handle. Since TAN only gets 1 hit per 17 seconds, the average hit size could be 3.7 megabytes and still run smoothly.
tldr; TAN could have 10x its current traffic and still easily be hosted by the average internet connection.
you're confusing visitors with hits, per day we get about 100,000 hits. not 3,000.